[SirLinksalot]

There is no other conclusion. You don't get to say "well, 1+1=3 and that is my opinion."

The theory ( emphasis ) of evolution is not the same as 1 + 1 =2. That is why REASONABLE PEOPLE DISPUTE IT. Wrong analogy.

You can have an opinion, but you need to defend it if it deals with science.

Agree. That is why both sides -- IDers and Evos need to present the evidence.

We have so-called conservatives who fight FOR willful ignorance and embrace and accelerate the dumbing down of America.

And you are assuming that these are ID supporters ? Our public schools have been saturated with nothing but EVOLUTION without any other ideas presented ( inspite of all the problems with it) for over 40 years. Of course our public schools have been very bad. What's your point ?

If "moonbat wing" doesn't fit scientists who should know better, then who can the tag be applied to?

The tag should only be applied to scientist who do not know better. Since you have not proven this to be the case with those who doubt Random mutation plus natural selection's ability to create the complexity of life, it doesn't apply here.

[Dimensio]

That is why both sides -- IDers and Evos need to present the evidence.

Evidence for evolution has been presented. That you dismiss the evidence without examining it is not the same as it never having been presented at all.

[Al Simmons]

"Agree. That is why both sides -- IDers and Evos need to present the evidence."

Well, science museums and libraries are overflowing with evidence; when is the 'other side' going to produce any?

[freedumb2003]

The theory ( emphasis ) of evolution is not the same as 1 + 1 =2. That is why REASONABLE PEOPLE DISPUTE IT. Wrong analogy.

Willfully ignorant (but perhaps otherwise reasonable) people dispute it because it doesn't jive with their Holy Book or they don't understand it.

Agree. That is why both sides -- IDers and Evos need to present the evidence.

TToE has literally millions of peices of evidence. If there is a part you don't understand, I can walk you through it. CR/IDers have -- faith (not evidence by any standard).

And you are assuming that these are ID supporters ? Our public schools have been saturated with nothing but EVOLUTION without any other ideas presented ( inspite of all the problems with it) for over 40 years. Of course our public schools have been very bad. What's your point ?

As I keep pointing out there are NO credible scientific alternatives to TToE (so much for the "problems with it"). Public School may be teaching it but it is constantly under attack from the Theocrats who want to put a State-sanctioned Religion in under the guise of an "alternative."

The very fact we have to have these discussions proves that willful ignorance is stronger that the scientific method.

The tag should only be applied to scientist who do not know better. Since you have not proven this to be the case with those who doubt Random mutation plus natural selection's ability to create the complexity of life, it doesn't apply here.

It is, of course, more comlplex than that, but a small number of so-called "scientists" (how many of them are in the Life Sciences by the way?) who should understand why TToE is currently the only explanation for the evidence are certainly so far out on the fringe that the tag applies.