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Giffords (D) leads Graf (R) in early polling (AZ-08, Giffords up 12)
KVOA TV ^ | 25 September 2006 | News 4 Tuscon

Posted on 09/25/2006 11:34:45 AM PDT by okstate

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To: okstate

Is that so. Is that what your bosses at the Daily Kos told you to say?


21 posted on 09/25/2006 12:48:34 PM PDT by Welike ike
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To: sasafras

The problem is not the makeup of the district for Graf, it is the backstabbing of Huffman and Kolbe that is hurting his campaign. Kolbe might be getting a paycheck from the Giffords staff.


22 posted on 09/25/2006 12:51:32 PM PDT by Welike ike
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To: Owen

"Does not the party have to send its resources to races where the polling says the seat is in reach?"

Kolbe's hand selected liberal candidate (Huffman) spent millions trying to defeat Graf by assassinating his character. It was the repeated media blitz to falsely attack Graf that is hurting him now. Also Kolbe said he would not support Graf after he won the primary.

The party is not required to send money - however the RNCC did send money and backing to Kolbe's candidate.

This is what is hurting Graf - the GOP came out against him and now because he is a true conservative they refuse to back him.

Chafee, McCain and Spector would be very happy with your response. This is exactly how they think too. Destroy the true conservatives in the primary and then blame it on the conservatives for not polling higher in the general.


23 posted on 09/25/2006 12:54:51 PM PDT by sasafras (("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom)
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To: sasafras
Kolbe's hand selected liberal candidate (Huffman) spent millions

I'm sure you can back up that "millions" claim.

24 posted on 09/25/2006 12:56:33 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: sasafras

You are too hard on the Republicans.

His opponent in the primary called for all Republicans to back the winner, and many Republicans from around the state and nation are now backing Graf.

I am sorry that Kolbe is having a hissy fit, but I am hopeful he will come around (or else he risks becoming a persona non gratis among Republicans who have always treated him decently).

HERE's the problem: We are trying to not lose our majority by holding our losses to less than 15. This is going to mean focusing resources on the competitive races we have the best chances.

This district is only slightly Republican (judging by the Presidential vote in 2004). So, if it comes down to backing a Republican in a marginal district who is double digits behind, versus backing a Republican in a district that's more favorable to us, who is neck-and-neck or only single digits behind, well, you can do the math.

On the other hand, if Randy Graf and those supporting him can close the gap, which I think is feasible, then the reinforcements will be sent in (possibly by diverting money from other candidates who don't close the gap).


25 posted on 09/25/2006 12:57:23 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: Welike ike

You and I agree. Make no mistake, Tucson and Pima County are left leaning. If you dont agree take a look at the make up of the city council and the pres race in 2004. In fact, if it wasnt for Pima County voting for Napalotono in 2002 we would have a Republican gov.

Graf can win this district but Kolbe is a disgusting loser, who has pulled all his favors to destroy Graf. This is a RINO that has done everything in his power to get the democrat elected and the GOP has shown their true colors by not supporting Graf - an honest and decent man.


26 posted on 09/25/2006 12:59:37 PM PDT by sasafras (("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom)
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To: Redmen4ever

You obviously dont know what your talking about and it is obvious that you dont live here. Huffman is known in circles around here as the "weasel". His single endorsement of Graf was nothing more than words. Kolbe's boy is a disgusting liar and attack man who couldnt hold Graf's shoes.

This isnt about Kolbe having a "hissy fit" - Kolbe has made every opportunity to attack Graf.

Your response says it all, "versus backing a Republican in a district that's more favorable to us,"

Elitism has caused many a conservative to question the republican parties affiliation to American values. Its all about keeping power - while Rome burns. I shouldnt havet to remind you that, Republicans who vote with democrats are no different than a democrat.




27 posted on 09/25/2006 1:08:05 PM PDT by sasafras (("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom)
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To: okstate

It was 19 last week, so, if this stuff is at all believed, it's been cut by more than 1/3 in a few days. What it means is that now that the GOP candidate is solidified, he'll start running ads and chomp into that lead.


28 posted on 09/25/2006 2:13:33 PM PDT by LS
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You care not to support Republicans if they are not to your liking (you say they are no better than Democrats), but you are upset that Kolbe does not support a Republican that is not to his liking. I, contrariwise, hope that Kolbe will realize that, for the most part, we Republicans have treated him with respect, not because we liked him, but because of party loyalty.


29 posted on 09/25/2006 2:56:00 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: LS

Post a link to the poll showing Graf down 19 points last week please. I am not aware of any that showed that.


30 posted on 09/25/2006 3:03:17 PM PDT by okstate
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To: LS

In fact two weeks ago this poll showed Giffords up only 10, so Graf has LOST two points in the last two weeks.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2006/house/az/arizona8-95.html


31 posted on 09/25/2006 3:04:12 PM PDT by okstate
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To: okstate

I don't slavishly report these like you do. There was one showing him down 19, so he has cut the lead by 1/3.


32 posted on 09/25/2006 3:15:21 PM PDT by LS
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To: LS

There is absolutely no record of any poll with Graf down 19 points in the last week.

Stop making things up.


33 posted on 09/25/2006 3:40:31 PM PDT by okstate
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To: okstate

There most certainly was.


34 posted on 09/25/2006 5:08:41 PM PDT by LS
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To: LS

The burden of proof is upon you, the one making the claim.


35 posted on 09/25/2006 5:42:11 PM PDT by okstate
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To: okstate

No, it's not, despite what you say. You're Mr. all polls. Find it. I saw it.


36 posted on 09/25/2006 5:44:10 PM PDT by LS
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To: okstate
There is absolutely no record of any poll with Graf down 19 points in the last week.

If he wasn't down 19 last week, he will be next week. The Dems have launched very well done negative ads that will destroy any chance for him to be elected.

37 posted on 09/25/2006 5:55:44 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Republicans - doing the work that Democrats won't do since 1854.)
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To: okstate

It's from Giffords web site. It's a DNC poll released the same day the NRCC withdrew funding and Rahm the rumpranger Emmanuel slimed Graf saying he had the support of David Duke (D-Sheehanite).

Dont let the anklbiters get you down.
If they want to cite polls, then Graf's support has risen this week by 7 points if they want to look at the polls.


38 posted on 09/25/2006 7:02:02 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: okstate

http://www.giffordsforcongress.com/2006/09/20/gabrielle-giffords-leads-randy-graf-by-19-points/


39 posted on 09/25/2006 7:04:30 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: kesg
Nice to see you support conservatives on a Conservative website. Stop posting lies about Graf. That's all I ask.
40 posted on 09/25/2006 7:09:26 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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