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Rush Limbaugh Live Thread Monday 09-25-2006
RushLimbaugh.com ^ | 09-25-06

Posted on 09/25/2006 7:57:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1702290/posts?page=1

The Good Life At Gitmo

ON the military plane back from America's most fa mous terrorist holding pen, the in-flight film was "V for Vendetta," a screed that tries to justify terrorism. It was a fitting end to a surreal, military-sponsored trip.

The Pentagon seemed to be hoping to disarm its critics by showing them how well it cares for captured terrorists. The trip was more alarming than disarming. I spent several hours with Rear Adm. Harry B. Harris Jr., who heads the joint task force that houses and interrogates the detainees. (The military isn't allowed to call them "prisoners.")

Harris, a distinguished Navy veteran who was born in Japan and educated at Annapolis and Harvard, is a serious man trying to do a politically impossible job. I spoke with him at length, and with a dozen other officers and guards, and visited three different detention blocks.

The high-minded critics who complain about torture are wrong. We are far too soft on these guys - and, as a result, aren't getting the valuable intelligence we need to save American lives.

The politically correct regulations are unbelievable. Detainees are entitled to a full eight hours sleep and can't be woken up for interrogations. They enjoy three meals and five prayers per day, without interruption. They are entitled to a minimum of two hours of outdoor recreation per day.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


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To: A.Hun

But watch out for Nov. 8!!!

};^)


361 posted on 09/25/2006 10:16:31 AM PDT by Roccus (Dealing with Democrats IS the War on Terror. [Stolen from FReeper Stallone])
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To: MarkLevinFan
Cool ! I'm enjoying Rush today, But I'm waiting for Mark's extra special touch!
362 posted on 09/25/2006 10:16:37 AM PDT by Cheapskate
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To: AliVeritas

"I had battle plans drawn". Sure you did, Bill.


363 posted on 09/25/2006 10:17:04 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: All
This was supposed to appear in a 2002 edition of Vanity Fair, per a Drudge article I found.

THE MUKHABARAT, A SUDANESE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, spent the early to mid-1990s amassing copious amounts of information on bin Laden and his cohorts at a time when they were relatively unknown and their activities limited, author David Rose reports. From the fall of 1996 until weeks before the September 2001 attack on the World Trade Center, the Mukhabarat made repeated efforts to share its files on terrorists with the U.S. On more than one occasion senior F.B.I. officials wanted to accept the offers, but were apparently overruled by the State Department.

FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE MADELEINE ALBRIGHT and her assistant secretary for Africa, Susan Rice, declined to comment for this story.

ACCORDING TO TIM CARNEY, THE LAST U.S. AMBASSADOR to Sudan, whose posting ended in 1997, The fact is, they were opening the doors, and we weren't taking them up on it. The U.S. failed to reciprocate Sudan's willingness to engage us on some serious questions of terrorism. We can speculate that this failure had serious implicationsæat least for what happened at the U.S. Embassies in 1998. In any case, the U.S. lost access to a mine of material on bin Laden and his organization." He tells Rose, It was worse than a crime. It was a f*ckup."

HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED? CARNEY CONTENDS that U.S. intelligence failed because it became politicized": the message from Sudan did not fit conventional wisdom at the State Department and the C.I.A., and so it was disregarded, again and again. Rose writes that the simple answer is that the Clinton administration had accused Sudan of sponsoring terrorism, and refused to believe that anything it did to prove its bona fides could be genuine. At the same time, perceptions in Washington were influenced by C.I.A. reports that were wildly inaccurate, some the result of deliberate disinformation.

ROSE REPORTS THAT, HAD U.S. AGENCIES EXAMINED the Mukhabarat files in 1996 when they first had the chance the prospects of preventing subsequent al-Qaeda attacks would have been much greater. Gutbi al-Mahdi, the Mukhabarat's director general between 1997 and 2000, claims that if the F.B.I. had taken his offer in February 1998, the embassy bombings could have been prevented: They had very little information at that time: they were shooting in the dark. Had they engaged with Sudan, they could have stopped a lot of things." Rose writes that as late as the end of 1995, bin Laden was not judged important enough by the C.I.A. or the F.B.I. for anyone to mention him to U.S. Ambassador Don Petterson when Petterson talked to the Sudanese about terrorism, an indication that the U.S. knew very little about bin Laden's organization or lethal capacity. My recollection is that when I made representations about terrorist organizations Osama bin Laden did not figure," Petterson says. We in Khartoum were not really concerned about him."

SOME OF THE MUKHABARAT'S FILES IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS who played central roles in the bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya in August 1998; others chart the backgrounds and movements of al-Qaeda operatives who are said to be linked directly to the atrocities of September 11. Among those profiled:

Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, another of those named on the F.B.I.'s most-wanted list, who set the plot for the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings rolling during two trips he made to Nairobi in the spring of 1998 from Khartoum, where he was apparently working for al-Qaeda. Rose writes that had the F.B.I. accepted al-Mahdi's February offer, it might have foiled Mohammed's plans by stepping in when he rented a villa in Kenya, gathered the bombers at the Hilltop Hotel in Nairobi, or helped stuff a pickup truck with TNT.

Two men carrying Pakistani passports and using the names Sayyid Iskandar Suliman and Sayyid Nazir Abbass, who arrived in Khartoum from Kenya a few days after the 1998 embassy bombings and rented an apartment overlooking the U.S. Embassy in Khartoum. They appeared to be reconnoitering for a possible future attack and are believed to be members of al-Qaeda. They also stayed at the Hilltop Hotel in Nairobiæthe base used by other members of the embassy-bombing conspiracy. Sudan arrested the two men and offered to extradite them for trial, but the U.S. did not respond, instead opting to bomb the al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum, which was found to have no connection to bin Laden but made vaccines and medicine and had contracts with the U.N.

Wadih al-Hage, bin Laden's former private secretary, now serving life without parole after his conviction in New York for his role in the 1998 embassy bombings, who was logged and photographed in Sudan. He is said to have moved among bin Laden's cells and across four continentsæinformation that surely would have been helpful in cramping al-Qaeda's style had it been grasped in 1996.

Mamdouh Mahmoud Salim, a Sudanese born to Iraqi parents and an Afghan-war veteran who worked for two bin Laden companies until 1995. Salim provides a link to the New York suicide hijackers. From 1995 to 1998, he made frequent visits to Germany, where a Syrian trader, Mamoun Darkazanli, had signing powers over his bank account. Darkazanli has allegedly procured electronic equipment for al-Qaeda. Both men attended the same Hamburg mosque as Mohamed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi, who flew the two planes into the World Trade Center.

ACCORDING TO AL-MAHDI, THE INTELLIGENCE SERVICE kept tabs on the entire bin Laden clique": We had a lot of information: who they are, who are their families, what is their education. We knew what they were doing in the country, what is their relationship with Osama bin Laden. And [had] photographs of them all." A senior official from Egyptian intelligence, who has worked closely with the Mukhabarat, substantiates the account: They knew all about them: who they were, where they came from. They had copies of their passports, their tickets; they knew where they went. Of course that information could have helped enormously. It is the history of those people."

THE MUKHABARAT ALSO UNCOVERED A WEALTH OF information about bin Laden's connection to Egyptian Islamic Jihad, including the fact that he hosted its founder, al-Zawahiri, in 1992. The group has since effectively merged with al-Qaeda. Yahia Hussien Baviker, the Mukhabarat's deputy chief since 1998, says, These files on the Egyptians could have been of great value to U.S. intelligence. If we'd had communication with the U.S., we could have been on the same wavelength. We could have exchanged notes." A C.I.A. source tells Rose, If anyone in the world understands the Egyptian side of this network, it's Sudan."

IT WAS NOT UNTIL MAY 2000 THAT THE U.S. SENT A JOINT F.B.I.-C.I.A. team to Sudan to investigate whether it was harboring terrorists; the country was given a clean bill of health in the summer of 2001. Just a few weeks prior to the September 11 attacks, the Bush administration requested Sudan's information on al-Qaeda.
364 posted on 09/25/2006 10:17:07 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: AliVeritas

365 posted on 09/25/2006 10:17:27 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: Roccus

Clinton is a liar. Where's Buzz Patterson?


366 posted on 09/25/2006 10:17:28 AM PDT by AliVeritas (The road to hell is paved with bishops - St. Athanasis)
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To: angcat

God a'mighty Rush is burning this fool Clinton DOWN!!


367 posted on 09/25/2006 10:17:35 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: defconw

My birthday is Halloween... I am a SCORPIO!
;)


368 posted on 09/25/2006 10:17:38 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Some pray for peace; I pray for the VICTORY that will ensure it.)
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To: StoneWall Brigade
Today is my 21st Birthday

It's my (gulp) 50th.

369 posted on 09/25/2006 10:17:53 AM PDT by subterfuge (Do your part to educate a Democrat and keep on FReeping!!)
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To: don-o

Exactly! They want to engage on the reality of what we know happened in the 90s and the lack of liberal action to do anything, then lets engage on it. They want to jump off the cliff a month before the elections, by all means. Let's do it and do it right now!


370 posted on 09/25/2006 10:18:03 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (Liberty must be defended, so the children of those who fell, can understand its value. Never forget.)
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To: TexasPatriot8
I wish conservative commentators and politicians would start interjecting everytime a Democrat says "Neo-Con" and cut them off and say "Oh, you mean conservative Jews that don't vote Democrat." And make them answer to that.

That would be great!!

371 posted on 09/25/2006 10:18:11 AM PDT by MaestroLC ("Let him who wants peace prepare for war."--Vegetius, A.D. Fourth Century)
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To: American Quilter

The only battle plans he drew up were used against Branch Dividians through his suboordinate, Janet Reno.


372 posted on 09/25/2006 10:18:20 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: subterfuge

Happy BirthDay


373 posted on 09/25/2006 10:18:20 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: Fudd Fan

Feel the sting from the Fuddster!


374 posted on 09/25/2006 10:18:48 AM PDT by RasterMaster (Winning Islamic hearts and minds.........one bullet at a time!)
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To: subterfuge
It's my (gulp) 50th.

Happy birthday! And don't worry--the 50s are great.

375 posted on 09/25/2006 10:19:11 AM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: Fudd Fan

Me too! November 10.


376 posted on 09/25/2006 10:19:23 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: American Quilter

50 is the new 30 (:


377 posted on 09/25/2006 10:19:37 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Don't be cute young one.


378 posted on 09/25/2006 10:20:08 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: don-o

Clinton is always blaming everyone else for his lack of leadership. He wanted everthing to be made easy for him. President Bush has sometimes had to take the difficult unpopular path and convince others that he was right.

Clinton, very simply put, never wanted to risk his popularity (or his ephemeral job approval numbers) by doing the hard work of making tough decisions. That is the Clinton legacy.


379 posted on 09/25/2006 10:20:09 AM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: TexasPatriot8

http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/brochures/Somalia/Somalia.htm#p24


380 posted on 09/25/2006 10:20:11 AM PDT by daybreakcoming
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