DNA Tests Help Uncover Forgotten History ("slave ancestors had been raped by their owners")

DiversityInc.com ^ | September 22, 2006 | "Compiled" by the DiversityInc staff

[spudsmaki]

Just imagine if someone grabbed your 15 year old daughter as a bedbuddy for some stranger. You don't think her mother or siblings would object? You her dad wouldn't object, because your owner would beat you to death if you did.

That was the reality of slavery, and it happened often.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

"Us whites have to face up to the fact that racism will never end until we no longer exist to continue the practice and keep alive the memory of those before us who must never rest".

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Huuh!
Am I supposed to tell my ash blonde, hazel eyed grandson that light skinned girls are off limits, and that he must confine future interests to black girls? Tellyawhat, you tell your grandson that, first.
Racism is not going to end, and it does not need to end, it just needs to be accepted as a done deal, all games to be conducted on a level field.
Just as soon as you run off on a mission to change human nature, you don't sound Republican any more!

[Smokin' Joe]

Us whites have to face up to the fact that racism will never end until we no longer exist to continue the practice and keep alive the memory of those before us who must never rest.

Mebbe, and mebbe not. Check out black-on-black hate crime some time.

The Communists and others of their ilk get waaay too much mileage out of keeping the masses at each other's throats over ancient grievances real and imagined. That way the rabble stays passionately occupied while the usurpation of power continues unabated.

Were it not for continuous rescussitation, racism might have died a natural death by now.

[catroina54]

i often wondered how much of this abuse went on from the days of any girl going into ""service"" and working there at a young age,usually around 13 or 14.

[balrog666]

That was the reality of slavery, and it happened often.

Even if true, so what?

[FlingWingFlyer]

Sometimes digging into your family geneology isn't pretty. Those were different times. People did things to other people and skin color wasn't always the major factor playing into the abuse. It's just tough to tell that to modern day "intellectuals" with an agenda.

[james500]

I don't know about that because it sounds too much like how I would think as a westerner. There are many cultures that consider female children to be worthless. They're either aborted or sold.

[firebrand]

Yes. "Race" means "root," not "branch."

[Knitting A Conundrum]

And some girls got into households where the master abused them, and some got the hots for one of the other servants or the master's son, or whatever and ended up having to leave service. If she was indentured, and just not an employee and got pregnant, she had to put in an extra year's service for the lost time, and might have to put her child up, and often got into legal trouble because the community didn't want to support an illegitamite child if they could find who the father was and get him to pay.

There are lots of records and diaries and stories about this.

[TET1968]

"The elimination of races probably would be a net plus for the planet. One less thing to fight about."

By then short people will be killing tall people and fat people will annihilate the winner then move on to skinny people.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

He is descended from SLAVE-OWNERS!

[SeafoodGumbo]

A few points:

- As noted above, there were thousands of blacks who owned slaves, especially here in New Orleans. There were also Indians who owned slaves.

-What is notable about the relationship between America and slavery isn't the fact that slavery existed here, since it was a global phenomenon that had existed for time immemorial, but the fact that the U.S. and England were the leaders in the movement to end this worldwide practice that had been going on since humans existed. When we began prohibiting the slave trade off Africa's coast, an African leader (IIRC, of the Ashanti) went to England to petition for them to stop.

- Many slaves had a relatively easy life compared to that of white sharecroppers or some indentured servants. Remember, this was a different time when a good percentage of all races busted their asses in physical labor from sun up to sun down. You got your teeth pulled at the barber, for cryin' out loud. This isn't to minimize the brutal life of a good percentage of the slaves, but to remind us that everyone lived a much tougher life of usually dreary, back-breaking work. Indeed, in New Orleans when yellow fever started killing a lot of blacks who were building the New Basin Canal, they were pulled from the project as being too valuable to lose and thousands of Irish were given the task. Irish immigrants were more expendable than slaves.

[Dog Gone]

Yeah, I imagine we'll always think of something to fight about.

[SeafoodGumbo]

Us whites have to face up to the fact that racism will never end until we no longer exist to continue the practice and keep alive the memory of those before us who must never rest.

Are you actually trying to say that white people are the only racists?

[mhking]

Though there is no mistaking that I'm black as the day is long, I am proud to count myself among the Wilkinson, Stark and Biddle families; that would include General Wilkinson, who was one of the early governors of the Louisiana Territory, Col. John Stark, who served General George Washington with distinction, and the Biddle family of Philadelphia. Through research, I've also found that I am descended from a Confederate military general named Edwards, as well as a direct descendant of Chocktaw Indian chief Tuskaloosa.

Now, I don't know if this is the result of a violent act or otherwise, but at this stage, I'm happy to be who I am and certainly proud of my ancestors.

[VOA]

Rabb discovered that some of his slave ancestors had been raped by their owners.

Rabb needs to be given a "Captain Obvious" suit.
Or "Master of The Obvious" Degree.

All sorts of UGLY things happen to slaves.
Even when their owners were enlightened Classical Greeks.

[thebaron512]

Not rain on your parade, but most of the soldiers on either did care much about slavery as the cause of the war. Heck, several northerners commented that they would have never joined up to fight to free the slaves. I have relatives on both sides of the conflict and considering that great majority of them never owned slave, they did not give a rat's ass about freeing the slaves. The institution would have died out as the industrial revolution was picking up steam and they were no longer cost effective.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

"Huuh!
Am I supposed to tell my ash blonde, hazel eyed grandson that light skinned girls are off limits, and that he must confine future interests to black girls? Tellyawhat, you tell your grandson that, first.
Racism is not going to end, and it does not need to end, it just needs to be accepted as a done deal, all games to be conducted on a level field.
Just as soon as you run off on a mission to change human nature, you don't sound Republican any more"!

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I waited a while for your response, should I wait longer?
If you are going to post on FR, best you know that we hate to leave unfinished business laying around, for later.
I replied just as soon as I could, but you may have things more important in mind, than finishing what you got started!

[Savage Beast]

It is not possible for a slave to give or deny consent; any intercourse between master and slave is rape.

However, we are all descendants of slaves and enslavers, and, no doubt, of rapers and rape victims.

Slavery existed in Europe almost as long as it has in Africa and Asia. In the early part of the 20th century, European men, women, and children were sold in the Balkans. And then there was also the jus primae noctis (droit du seigneur).

The gentleman's enlaved ancestors were victims of rape, and so were the ancestors of his slave-owning ancestors.

[muawiyah]

All very nice ~ I had some ancestors from South Carolina who were denied their patrimony when they were driven into exile to Indiana by their slave-owning relatives.

They came back under Grant and then Sherman and obtained satisfaction.

Books are balanced in some accounts eh!