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To: WesternCulture

This won't do much, because on top of the fact that Sweden is already poisoned by centuries of Lutheran Jew-hatred (Luther called for the extermination of the Jews when they rejected him), the Swedes have been brainwashed by a media dominated by Communists and radical Socialists who have painted the Jews as blood thirsty villains; propaganda that would have not been out of place with Joseph Goebbels. While they call it "anti-Zionism", the goal of the Swedish left (indeed of the entire European left) is the same -- the extinction of Israel.

The media is still in the hands of the left. They will STILL be spewing their bigotry. And they have a sizeable but growing radical Islamic presence; one that has almost taken over Malmo. Even the "right" in Sweden will want to appease them.

Therefore, Israel's relations with Sweden will not change for the better. Sweden's Jews should get out while they can.


3 posted on 09/23/2006 12:52:28 PM PDT by fireman43
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To: fireman43

"Swedes have been brainwashed by a media dominated by Communists and radical Socialists who have painted the Jews as blood thirsty villains; propaganda that would have not been out of place with Joseph Goebbels."


1. "Communists and radical Socialists who have painted the Jews as blood thirsty villains"

- True

2 "propaganda that would have not been out of place with Joseph Goebbels"

- Perhaps not, but Goebbels took it much, much further.

It's all true that The Social Democratic Party - especially during the days of Olof Palme - used to be very harsch against Israel. Nowadays though, swedish-israeli relations have been "normalized".

The prime reason for Olof Palme's hatred of certain parts of the Israelian establishment was the Lehi assassination of Folke Bernadotte, a swede who saved the lives of thousands of jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte


4 posted on 09/23/2006 1:49:28 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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Is this quote the source of your claim about Martin Luther?

This Luther quote appears on various anti-Luther pages, “Either God must be unjust, or you, Jews, wicked and ungodly. You have been, about fifteen hundred years, a race rejected of God.” This quote was used by a Roman Catholic I was dialoging with who was trying to prove Luther’s hatred of the Jews. A surface reading of this quote suggests that Luther viewed the Jews as an awful people, and to think otherwise indicts the goodness of God.

The quote is a poor consolidation of a much longer passage from also an older version of Luther’s Table Talk. The passage is actually a description of Luther arguing with two rabbis’, who allegedly converted to Christianity after being unable to respond to Luther’s argumentation. Here is the quote, with the words used highlighted:

”Either God must be unjust, or you, Jews, wicked and ungodly; for ye have been in misery and fearful exile, a far longer time than ye were in the land of Canaan. Ye had not the Temple of Solomon more than three hundred years, while ye have been hunted up and down above fifteen hundred. At Babylon ye had more eminence than at Jerusalem, for Daniel was a greater and more powerful prince at Babylon than either David or Solomon at Jerusalem. The Babylonian captivity was unto you only a fatherly rod, but this last punishment was your utter extermination. You have been, above fifteen hundred years, a race rejected of God, without government, without laws, without prophets, without temple. This argument ye cannot solve; it strikes you to the ground like a thunderclap; ye can show no other reason for your condition than your sins. The two rabbis, struck to the heart, silenced, and convinced, forsook their errors, became converts, and the day following, in the presence of the whole university at Wittenberg, were baptized Christians. The Jews hope that we shall join them, because we teach and learn the Hebrew language, but their hope is futile. `Tis they must accept of our religion, and of the crucified Christ, and overcome all their objections, especially that of the alteration of the Sabbath, which sorely annoys them, but `twas ordered by the apostles, in honor of the Lord's resurrection.”[170] You can find more at the following link

http://www.ntrmin.org/Luther%20and%20the%20Jews%20(Web).htm#a3

For Comparison here is how the Roman Catholics dealt with the Jews around the same time

“In 1553 all copies of the Talmud found in Rome were burned in public. Pope Paul IV (1555-1559) ordered measures to be taken against the Jews, and twenty-four men and one woman were burned at the stake. On July 12, 1555, he issued a bull that renewed all the oppressive medieval legislation against the Jews, excluding them from professions, limiting their financial and commercial activities, forbidding them to own real estate, and humiliating them by obliging them to wear yellow hats.”[11]

5 posted on 09/23/2006 1:50:40 PM PDT by protest1
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