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To: Van Jenerette
If this happens Bill, just make certain that it is clear that the NORTH did not engage in that WAR to end slavery.

Yeah, as I recall, the North went to war to save the Union. THANK GOD THOSE BOYS BEAT THOSE REBS DOWN!

While the Dec. 1865 ratification of 13th Amendment ended slavery, the attitude and rational for the war was far removed from some lofty goal of ending slavery in the United States of America.

That's right! While many of the Abolitionists wanted to free the slaves, the pragmatists (like Lincoln) struggled for what they believed to be an even loftier goal: preserving the Union after the Rebels started the war at Fort Sumter! THANK GOD THEY PREVAILED SO WE COULD ALL LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

History is pretty clear on this issue:

Yes History is clear: despite Lincoln's offer to preserve the Union without freeing the slaves (if that's what it took), the Hot-heads in the Rebel camp couldn't grasp a "victory" when it was staring them in the face. Their pride went before the fall! AND THANK GOD FOR IT, THAT ALL MEN COULD BE FREE!

Lincoln re-affirmed his strong support for gradual emancipation coupled with resettlement in his second annual message to Congress of December 1, 1862 and this proposal had five basic elements...

Yes, you're correct: Lincoln offered up several schemes for resettlement and gradual emancipation. Of course, had the Rebs won (having made their point about the "right to secede", or the "Tariff of Abominations", or the tyranny of the Northern Industrialists, or whatever it was you're trying to tell us the Civil War was really all about), the Confederates would have immediately seen the light, and freed all the slaves. No doubt about it, they would have beaten that tyrant Lincoln's timetable by 35 years!

15 posted on 09/23/2006 12:49:40 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie
...Of course, had the Rebs won (having made their point about the "right to secede", or the "Tariff of Abominations", or the tyranny of the Northern Industrialists, or whatever it was you're trying to tell us the Civil War was really all about...

History speaks for itself. Deo Vindice

16 posted on 09/23/2006 12:58:07 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (U.S.Army 1967-1991 Infantry OCS Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning Ga.)
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To: pawdoggie

You just don't get it do you......The "United States" we got due to the "war" is NOT at all what the founding fathers wanted or envisioned. A Union forced at the point of a bayonet is NO Union..........Thanks to Ole Abe and his policies, we are STILL paying the price.


57 posted on 09/23/2006 6:12:47 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Having a picture of John Wayne doesn't make you a Texan :) ")
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To: pawdoggie

Technology trumps slavery and soon it will trump cheap illegal labor.


162 posted on 09/24/2006 2:06:13 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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