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DeVos Wants Schools To Teach Intelligent Design
The Associated Press ^ | September 20, 2006 | AP

Posted on 09/20/2006 8:53:06 PM PDT by Westlander

Republican gubernatorial candidate Dick DeVos says he thinks Michigan's science curriculum should include a discussion about intelligent design.

He says teaching intelligent design along with evolution would help students discern the facts among different theories. He'd like to see local school districts be able to teach intelligent design if they choose to, although he wouldn't require that it be taught in science classes.

"I would like to see the ideas of intelligent design that many scientists are now suggesting is a very viable alternative theory," DeVos told The Associated Press this week during an interview on education. "That theory and others that would be considered credible would expose our students to more ideas, not less."

Intelligent design's proponents hold that living organisms are so complex they must have been created by a higher force rather than evolving from more primitive forms. Some want science teachers to teach that Darwin's theory of evolution is not a fact and has gaps.

(Excerpt) Read more at clickondetroit.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: darwin; devos; governor; granholm; politicalmoronalert
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Send Jennifer Granholm back to Canada.
1 posted on 09/20/2006 8:53:07 PM PDT by Westlander
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To: Westlander

Stop this nonsense. End public education. This shouldn't be a political issue.


2 posted on 09/20/2006 8:55:03 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Westlander

yeah, and then maybe he'll reverse her decision to make it mandatory to have a second language in order to graduate and maybe impliment some classes that teach something that the kids will actually USE in their lives!


4 posted on 09/20/2006 8:56:19 PM PDT by annelizly
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To: Westlander
Intelligent design's proponents hold that living organisms are so complex they must have been created by a higher force rather than evolving from more primitive forms.

This is pretty much all there is to say about intelligent design. There is no actual "science" behind it.
5 posted on 09/20/2006 8:57:22 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: Westlander

Stop and think for a minute. The son of the founder of Amway is promoting intelligent design.


6 posted on 09/20/2006 8:59:00 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Westlander
Not this **** again.

Why are we wasting time on this STUPID issue? If you want to teach your kids to believe in this, YOU teach it to them. What are you doing in your life that's so important that you can't instruct your kids on what you see as the proper theory about where we came from? Shut the damned TV off for an hour, teach your kid about ID (if you can even hold forth on this "incredibly important" issue for one hour), and you're done, and we can move on to important issues, not this crap.

7 posted on 09/20/2006 8:59:20 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Republican, atheist, pro-life, anti-illegal, book-reading no-goodnik!)
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To: Westlander

Oh well. His campaign had seemed quite promising, too. So much for that!


8 posted on 09/20/2006 9:07:54 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: annelizly
A second language is a huge leg up for those who choose to do so. Whether it should be mandatory is another question.

In any event, all students should be strongly encouraged to do it.

9 posted on 09/20/2006 9:12:53 PM PDT by zarf
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To: zarf

I agree 2nd language is good, but a lot of detroit students have trouble with 1 language.


10 posted on 09/20/2006 9:25:08 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Westlander

Why are so many Republicans so set on losing? How can we take people like DeVos seriously, when they go off the reservation on this kind of nonsense? Sure, this will win many votes in Oakland County...


11 posted on 09/20/2006 9:25:52 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: drjimmy

Dr Hugh-Ross would vigorously beg to differ...and drive you into the scholarly ground with more facts than you would care to hear, were he still alive...as it is, such a dismissive blanket statement shows a mind which appears not terribly open, in at least that respect.

A.A.C.


12 posted on 09/20/2006 9:53:15 PM PDT by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: Darkwolf377; Westlander
> This is pretty much all there is to say about intelligent design. There is no actual "science" behind it.

> Not this **** again. Why are we wasting time on this STUPID issue? If you want to teach your kids to believe in this, YOU teach it to them. What are you doing in your life that's so important that you can't instruct your kids on what you see as the proper theory about where we came from? Shut the damned TV off for an hour, teach your kid about ID (if you can even hold forth on this "incredibly important" issue for one hour), and you're done, and we can move on to important issues, not this crap.

I'm appalled at ID, clearly the latest of the Creationist attempts to inject a particular religion where it doesn't make sense.

Personally, I do prefer to teach my daughter about the marvels of the Universe (such as I know them) and my ideas about how they came to be, including Creation. Sometimes we read, sometimes we just think about it and discuss what makes sense to us.

So I would imagine that a true Creationist ID-er, being of necessity a believer in Almighty God as the Creator, would likewise prefer that their children learn about God in church or at home, or in a private religious school, rather than in a federally-funded public school.

Teaching ID as science in public schools is simply idiotic and wrong. Idiotic because it is religion, not science; and wrong because the proper place to learn about God is in a place of religious instruction, not a government institution.

Sheesh.

13 posted on 09/20/2006 9:55:51 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: drjimmy

Oops, sorry, forgot to ping you on my screeed above (#13). I quoted your comment, so it's only proper to ping...


14 posted on 09/20/2006 9:58:32 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
So I would imagine that a true Creationist ID-er, being of necessity a believer in Almighty God as the Creator, would likewise prefer that their children learn about God in church or at home, or in a private religious school, rather than in a federally-funded public school.

We are told repeatedly that ID has nothing to do with religion, and that it is a scientific theory.

Are we being deceived?

15 posted on 09/20/2006 9:59:26 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
> We are told repeatedly that ID has nothing to do with religion, and that it is a scientific theory. Are we being deceived?

In a word, YES.

A scientific theory is a proposition that provides a number of things:

The basis of science is DISPROVING WHAT IS FALSE. There is nothing in true science that can PROVE anything true. Those who claim "scientific proof" of anything are charlatans. The best science can do is fail to disprove something.

ID is not in any sense a scientific theory. It is untestable, and it is un-disprovable. It is religion.

Understand, I believe in God, I believe that God created the Universe, and I instruct my child in these beliefs.

Nevertheless, teaching ID as science is just a crock. Teach it as religion.

16 posted on 09/20/2006 10:09:11 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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Here's an indication of my personal protest -- not against Creationism or religion, but against ID being taught in public schools as if it were science.

I have this symbol on my car:

Have you been touched by His Noodly Appendage?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster

17 posted on 09/20/2006 10:21:56 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Science tells us the how of evolution.

Relgion tells us the why of evolution.

18 posted on 09/20/2006 11:07:23 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (History convinces me that bad government results from too much government. - Thomas Jefferson)
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> Science tells us the how of evolution. Relgion tells us the why of evolution.

That's nicely put.

My personal belief is that evolution -- or more properly, Natural Selection of Species -- is merely one small facet of the Grand Experiment originally started by God in the Big Bang. As one trained in physics, I see the workings of the hand of God throughout the Universe, and while science can explain how it works, it is up to religion to provide a reason.

So if I understand your comment correctly, yes, I agree.

19 posted on 09/20/2006 11:22:41 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Placemarker


20 posted on 09/20/2006 11:28:00 PM PDT by Jaguarbhzrd
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