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'Lucy's baby' found in Ethiopia
BBC News on line ^ | September 20, 2006 | Unsigned

Posted on 09/20/2006 10:26:20 AM PDT by aculeus

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To: aculeus

God made mankind in his image? Yikes!

21 posted on 09/20/2006 10:42:16 AM PDT by Ganymede
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To: Ganymede

More about Lucy and her kin:

http://www.archaeologyinfo.com/australopithecusafarensis.htm


22 posted on 09/20/2006 10:43:41 AM PDT by Ganymede
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To: aculeus; PatrickHenry


Zeresenay Alemseged and the skull of "Lucy's baby"

Ping

23 posted on 09/20/2006 10:45:26 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: aculeus; SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


24 posted on 09/20/2006 10:46:34 AM PDT by blam
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25 posted on 09/20/2006 10:48:51 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Science-denial is not conservative. It's reality-denial and it's unhealthy.)
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To: sandbar
I didn't know we had a tongue bone?

Must.......resist.......urge.........to....................

26 posted on 09/20/2006 10:49:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Is Castro dead yet?........)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Well, that could help with one thing - what was the expiration date on the carton?

December 3rd, 3,300,000 B.C. And you do NOT want to know about the condition of the milk.

27 posted on 09/20/2006 10:50:37 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: aculeus

If the species is extinct then how is it an ancestor of modern humans? If it has living descendants then it is NOT extinct. You could say it is "mutated" or "evolved" but not "extinct." The individual, however, is surely extinct.


28 posted on 09/20/2006 10:52:31 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Ganymede
Oh, alright, I'll get it over with:


29 posted on 09/20/2006 10:54:38 AM PDT by D-Chivas
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To: aculeus
The amazing fossil of 'Lucy's little sister'

20 September 2006
From New Scientist Print Edition.
Jeff Hecht

The stunningly complete skeleton of a three-year-old girl who lived 3.3 million years ago has been uncovered in Ethiopia. The child belongs to the species Australopithecus afarensis like the famous "Lucy", who was discovered in 1974. The young age of the so-called Dikika child promises new insights into the growth of early humans.

The new find is the most complete and important skeleton of an immature Pliocene hominin ever found, says Tim White of the University of California, Berkeley, who worked on the Lucy discovery. "The gist of the current paper is, 'Eureka, we have it'," he says.

A team led by Zeresenay Alemseged of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, spotted the first bones south of the Awash river on 10 December 2000. The team spent four field seasons scouring the area for every scrap of the skeleton.

Lucy was also found in the Awash region, which is famed for its early human fossils. Many anthropologists think A. afarensis was ancestral to the genus Homo, though its exact position in the human family tree remains a matter for debate.

Alemseged's team believes that a flood rolled the child's body into a ball and buried it in sand soon after her death, before the bones could be weathered or pulled apart by scavengers.

Analysis of the skeleton has barely begun because the upper parts, including the skull, shoulder blades, collarbones, ribs and backbone, are still largely encased in a block of hard sandstone. However, a CT scan of the skull revealed tooth development matching that of a three-year-old, the team reports in Nature (vol 443, p 296).

"At least 50 per cent of the skeleton is there, but more importantly we have the face and brain endocast, and the whole skull, telling us clearly how the [child] looked," says Alemseged. He estimates the brain size was 330 cubic centimetres, between 63 and 88 per cent of the size of an adult of the species. This hints at brain growth slower than in chimpanzees, whose brains have reached 90 per cent of adult volume by age three. A. afarensis may therefore have begun evolving the slower brain development characteristic of modern humans.

The exposed leg bones show the child walked bipedally like Lucy. In contrast, the shoulder blade "in some ways resembles young gorillas", says collaborator Bill Kimbel of Arizona State University. That supports the inference from Lucy's long arms that she was a better climber than modern humans. During the girl's lifetime the environment was a mosaic of forest and savannah, so the species may have gathered food and slept in trees, but walked from place to place.

Another key discovery is a hyoid bone, which is found in the throat and in humans is involved in speech. Until now, only one fossil hyoid has ever been found, and it was from a Neanderthal. The Dikika hyoid resembles an ape's, suggesting speech had not begun to evolve in A. afarensis.

Alemseged believes much information can be gained once the skeleton is freed from its stone casing. "A clear picture will emerge of how baby human ancestors were built, and how they grew up," he says.

30 posted on 09/20/2006 10:54:53 AM PDT by blam
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To: aculeus

How can a fraud have a baby?

Knee & hip bones found far apart in depth and distance.
Assertions of common origin employed more wishful thinking than proof.


31 posted on 09/20/2006 10:56:51 AM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: blam
Another key discovery is a hyoid bone, which is found in the throat and in humans is involved in speech. Until now, only one fossil hyoid has ever been found, and it was from a Neanderthal. The Dikika hyoid resembles an ape's, suggesting speech had not begun to evolve in A. afarensis.

This will be an incredibly useful find.

32 posted on 09/20/2006 11:02:23 AM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: MadeInAmerica
Darwin....calling Darwin. Is this the missing link? Nope, not a monkeyman? OK, we'll keep lookin.

You tell me: ape, or human? Do you know any kids with faces like that?


33 posted on 09/20/2006 11:07:59 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: sandbar
I didn't know we had a tongue bone?

Yes. The hyoid bone in your neck supports the tongue.

More information here.

34 posted on 09/20/2006 11:09:04 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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35 posted on 09/20/2006 11:09:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 16, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: G Larry
How can a fraud have a baby?

Do you have any actual evidence to back up your assertion, or was it an example of "wishful thinking"?

36 posted on 09/20/2006 11:10:39 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: G Larry
Knee & hip bones found far apart in depth and distance.

Not in this case. These are from a single block. Now what do you say? Forget Lucy: what exactly was this creature?

37 posted on 09/20/2006 11:13:59 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: aculeus

Wasn't 'Lucy' discovered to be a fake about 5 years ago?


38 posted on 09/20/2006 11:14:28 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Piltdown Man's baby is still missing.


39 posted on 09/20/2006 11:14:33 AM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: arthurus
If the species is extinct then how is it an ancestor of modern humans? If it has living descendants then it is NOT extinct. You could say it is "mutated" or "evolved" but not "extinct." The individual, however, is surely extinct.

I think you are offering a new definition of "species." For most fossilized bones, species is classified on general shape (morphology). For currently living species, classification is (usually) based on ability to inter-breed.

These critters, Lucy and this new girl, are morphologicallly distinct from humans and therefore a distinct species. Since that morphology doesn't exist anymore in any known living creatures, it is considered an extinct species.

40 posted on 09/20/2006 11:14:55 AM PDT by Dracian
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