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Tough-talking pope has history with Muslims, refuses to give in
THE WASHINGTON TIMES ^ | September 20, 2006 | Julia Duin

Posted on 09/20/2006 10:05:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

Known for his toughness on matters of Catholic doctrine, Pope Benedict XVI gives no quarter when it comes to questions about Islam.

Unlike his predecessor, Pope John Paul II, Benedict has never [said] that Muslims and Christians pray to the same God or been accused of waffling on whether Christianity is superior to the religion of prophet Muhammad.

[Says David Gibson, author of the just-released book "The Rule of Benedict"], "He doesn't want to see this as a debate between equals. There's no theological parity between the two. He's not there to compromise on that.

...Benedict has studied Islam extensively and, in a 1997 interview with German journalist Peter Seewald, dealt generously with the religion.

...Still, he added, Islam does not fit in with Western civilization.

"Islam has a total organization of life that is completely different from ours; it embraces simply everything," he said. "There is a very marked subordination of woman to man; there is a very tightly knit criminal law, indeed, a law regulating all areas of life, that is opposed to our modern ideas about society. One has to have a clear understanding that it is not simply a denomination that can be included in the free realm of a pluralistic society."

...In March, the pope summoned 179 cardinals to Rome to discuss Islam, said John L. Allen Jr., author of "The Rise of Benedict XVI." At issue was increasing persecution of Christians in Islamic countries, he said in an interview

"He feels that if we have dialogue, we need to talk about things," Mr. Allen said of the pope, "and not just be nice to each other. When he said on Sunday that he wants a 'frank and sincere dialogue,' he meant that we have to put actual issues on the table.

(Excerpt) Read more at insider.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; catholic; islam; islamevilempire; nofear
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Dear God, I am so grateful that Benedict got elected our Pope. The right man in the right place at the right time: an unswerving allegiance to Jesus Christ, a first rate intellectual apparatus and a stout heart that will not be intimidated.

As the article said:

"The great challenge is if he can find the vocabulary to raise these issues. And can he find a conversation partner? Are there credible forces within Islam who can engage in a discussion based on reason?"

1 posted on 09/20/2006 10:05:36 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

What a great man. Chosen by the Lord for His very purposes in this particular time. Amazing. And how very scary. I was happy to see Archbishop Carey come out behind the Pope on this, today. A breath of fresh air, they all are.


2 posted on 09/20/2006 10:07:22 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You have to register to read the rest. :-(


3 posted on 09/20/2006 10:08:10 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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At issue was increasing persecution of Christians in Islamic countries, he said in an interview

There you have it.
4 posted on 09/20/2006 10:09:16 AM PDT by Froufrou
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Are there credible forces within Islam who can engage in a discussion based on reason?" ERRRrrrrrrrr..nope !!
5 posted on 09/20/2006 10:10:24 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

What a great man. Chosen by the Lord for His very purposes in this particular time. Amazing. And how very scary. I was happy to see Archbishop Carey come out behind the Pope on this, today. A breath of fresh air, they all are.


6 posted on 09/20/2006 10:12:14 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Perhaps, it'll take a German to stop the advance of the jihadis?


7 posted on 09/20/2006 10:12:27 AM PDT by observer5 (It's not a War on Terror - it's a WAR ON STUPIDITY)
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To: knighthawk; lizol; Lukasz; Grzegorz 246; SJackson; hail to the chief; HHKrepublican_2; nwctwx; ...

He's-not-a-capon-dhimmi Ping


8 posted on 09/20/2006 10:12:30 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Pray for Pope Benedict. Lord, grant him a courageous heart, insight, fortitude, peace.)
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"Pope repeated the thrust of remarks made on Sunday that his words had been misunderstood and expressed "profound respect" for Muslims"

Real tough.


9 posted on 09/20/2006 10:12:36 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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What a great man. Chosen by the Lord for His very purposes in this particular time. Amazing.

What is amazing is that Christians see these obvious corollaries all the time -- both in worldly and personal situations, yet so many others choose to live life isolated from these great gifts.

They are there for the asking from the One True God.

I struggle at times finding the words to explain this to unbelievers.

10 posted on 09/20/2006 10:13:40 AM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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Not a Catholic but sure glad we have this Pope at this time.


11 posted on 09/20/2006 10:13:56 AM PDT by newcthem (Brought to you by the INFIDEL PARTY)
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Pretty impressive so far. Death squads and assassins from the death cult means he's doing something right.


12 posted on 09/20/2006 10:15:04 AM PDT by tkathy (Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
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Are there credible forces within Islam who can engage in a discussion based on reason?"

Have not seen one yet.

13 posted on 09/20/2006 10:15:10 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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"Profound respect for Muslims" is not synonymous with "Profound respect for Islam."

Human beings were created in the image and likeness of God. Islam was created in the image and likeness of someone a bit lower on the lowerarchy.

14 posted on 09/20/2006 10:15:13 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Pray for Pope Benedict. Lord, grant him a courageous heart, insight, fortitude, peace.)
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so you still don't get it?
15 posted on 09/20/2006 10:15:18 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: I see my hands

As I said on another thread, you can respect people, but you don't have to respect their religion.


16 posted on 09/20/2006 10:15:28 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Give me an army saying the Rosary and I will conquer the world." - Pope Blessed Pius IX)
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Dear God, I am so grateful that Benedict got elected our Pope. The right man in the right place at the right time: an unswerving allegiance to Jesus Christ, a first rate intellectual apparatus and a stout heart that will not be intimidated.

Very, very well put Mrs. D. I agree wholeheartedly.

Prayers for Benedict's safety...

17 posted on 09/20/2006 10:17:23 AM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom (Take the high road...the view is always better.)
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To: Pyro7480
Try this link and click through to the article

Google News

18 posted on 09/20/2006 10:19:44 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: I see my hands

The Pontiff is not your favourite pundit. He doesn't play the soundbite, talking points game. But to see that, one has to look beyond one's own hands.


19 posted on 09/20/2006 10:20:47 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (<)
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"He feels that if we have dialogue, we need to talk about things,"

Islamists will never do this. They know that once they start to examine their religion in a free forum they would have to acknlowledge there beliefs and actions are non-defensible.


20 posted on 09/20/2006 10:22:15 AM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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