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To: gcruse
I personally don't see this as a Constitutional issue. The issue for me is that public schools are unable to provide a safe environment for learning. Metal detectors are a symptom, not a solution. The presences of metal detectors means that there are "students" attending the school that belong in a real prison, but since their presence means money to the administration, they are allowed to attend and turn the school into a prison for everyone else.

The presence of these "students" is not only a physical danger to legitimate students, their presence also degrades the quality of teaching that can go on in the classroom, because the majority of the teacher's effort goes toward keeping order rather than education. Most public school classrooms these days are zoos, in case you were unaware, even in "good" suburban public schools.

Why does it not bother you that metal detectors are even required in public schools?

Why does it bother you more that a normal student might object to being treated like a criminal?

51 posted on 09/20/2006 7:04:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The Constitutional angle is all that interested me. As far as I'm concerned, if you don't want your kid searched, then home school him. The public schools have enough on their hands after Columbine.


56 posted on 09/20/2006 7:50:42 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Why does it bother you more that a normal student might object to being treated like a criminal?

Indeed.

As far as the government is concerned, we're all criminals until/unless we advance to being a member of the 'protected class' where the rules just don't apply. 

62 posted on 09/20/2006 8:32:38 AM PDT by zeugma (I reject your reality and substitute my own in its place. (http://www.zprc.org/))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"I would if it's a good sound legal policy. If they try to trample 4th amendments rights... ah getting shaky," says Evans.

Smart kid. He's learned enough to know what his rights are when they are being infringed. As he looks further into this hopefully he will come to realize that the entire socialist system of government schooling is un-Constitutional and coercive in nature.

100 posted on 09/20/2006 11:57:00 AM PDT by TigersEye (Visualize dead terrorists! (don't let the libs tell you it's against the Geneva Convention))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why does it not bother you that metal detectors are even required in public schools?

Why does it bother you more that a normal student might object to being treated like a criminal?

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Reason?

People that defend the government school are hard boiled frogs and past feeling.


156 posted on 09/25/2006 5:05:56 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You've hit nailed it perfectly!

It should bug everyone that we even think about metal detectors in schools.

We just pulled my daughters out of public elementary school. I was appalled by the behavior of the kids, and the lack of discipline by the staff. It was a new school for my daughters last year, and they hated it.

The school had all these programs about bullies. My daughters learned all sorts of ways of handling bullies. Most parents thought this was so great. I was appalled that my daughters were having to learn anything about bullies.

My daughters are in a small private Christian school this year, and they love it!!! They never talk about bullies because they don't need to.

My son is still in public. I need to get a job before we can afford to send him to private. He's in middle school, and I want him going to a private Christian high school.


160 posted on 09/25/2006 5:29:29 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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