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Pope Blinks in Struggle with Islam
Boston Herald ^ | Monday, September 18, 2006 - Updated: 01:49 PM EST | Jules Crittenden

Posted on 09/18/2006 12:38:40 PM PDT by gopwinsin04

The pope blinked.

He picked a fight with Islam. Then he gave Islam a victory.

All of this was unnecessary. Pope Benedict XVI, an erudite theologian, decided he needed to play an academic game with Islam. In furtherance of open dialogue between world religions, he decided it would be helpful to quote a 14th-century Byzantine emperor’s disparagement of Mohammad.

The Islamic world, apparently lacking the pope’s sophistication, responded violently. The Islamic world still operates on a 14th-century paradigm. In the Palestinian areas, Muslims started burning churches. Priests disappeared in Baghdad. There were Catholic priests still operating freely in Baghdad?A nun, a defenseless woman, was shot down in Somalia. There are nuns in Somalia?

The pope must have done the math. Perhaps the Vatican’s chief of missions came to him and said, "Excuse me, Your Eminence, about this speech," and explained exactly how many of the Catholic Church’s people doing good works out in the world may be martyred for the sake of Benedict’s academic musings.

So the pope blinked. He apologized for upsetting everyone. He stopped short of acknowledging that his choice of material might have been insulting, but for a pope, anything approaching apology is remarkable. And now the Muslims he needlessly inflamed have been handed a victory.

Don’t get me wrong.I don’t believe in kowtowing to Muslim sensitivities.I don’t care why they hate us.There are some things that need to be said to the Muslim world. The hatred regularly spewed in the Arab media, the perversion of Islam by extremists and the silence of Muslim political leaders is reprehensible. They have allowed their religion and their nations to be hijacked by monsters. Having spent years living among Muslims, having encountered Muslims moderate, irreverent and extreme, it disgusts me how their political leaders have allowed, out of political cowardice and opportunism, the most extremist elements of their society to lead them around by the nose.

I don’t believe the response to Islamic terrorism should be anything less than vigorous and merciless military action. I think Guantanamo, secret CIA prisons and harsh interrogation techniques that stop short of actual physical torture are not only effective, but legal. I think a narrow majority of United States Supreme Court justices were out of their mind when they ruled that terrorists should have the status of lawful combatants, and court trials. I have no problem with their indefinite detention. This war is far from over. I believe drumhead trials and summary execution for terror suspects, when captured as unlawful combatants on the battlefield, would send a message our 14th-century adversary could understand.

I also believe that our follow-on benevolence and generosity in the Muslim world has sent an important message that is resonating and showing the Islamic world a way out of the 14th century. It clearly disturbs our enemy, which is why they have responded by murdering their own people.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; julescrittenden; pope; popetrop; trop
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1 posted on 09/18/2006 12:38:42 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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I don't think the Pope blinked. He acknowledged the response, then said that he's sorry they reacted that way.


2 posted on 09/18/2006 12:42:13 PM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: Buck W.

Well, he also said the views expressed were not his.

Not a huge blink, maybe, but he did back down a little.


3 posted on 09/18/2006 12:43:37 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: gopwinsin04

Well, for my opinion regarding the "moderate" Muslims, just read my sig line...


4 posted on 09/18/2006 12:43:53 PM PDT by TampaDude (If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the PROBLEM!!!)
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To: Buck W.

The Herald supports organized crime. They are evil incarnate. Since reporting that Bush was beating Dukakis in Massachusetts, they have tried desperately to out-flank the Globe to the left.


5 posted on 09/18/2006 12:44:05 PM PDT by dangus (Pope calls Islam violent; Millions of Moslems demonstrate)
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To: gopwinsin04

His Holiness (not His Eminence) knows exactly what he is doing and he is letting the Muslim world know just what he thinks of them.


6 posted on 09/18/2006 12:44:21 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: gopwinsin04
He did not blink.

He said (1) that he was quoting Emperor Manuel II and that he did not necessarily agree with the quote - he said in the lecture itself that the quote was "brusque" - and

(2) he regrets that the people who misinterpreted him behaved so poorly.

He did not apologize for giving the lecture he gave.

7 posted on 09/18/2006 12:45:14 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: highball

That isn't backing down, it's pointing out the obvious. He was quoting someone else and said so.

Personally, I think it was masterfully done. He quoted a Byzantine emperor to universalize his comments, pointed out that Islam is exactly as it has always been and then acknowledged Islam's response for what it was.

The press will seek to egg this on and add more gas to fire but the Pope was brilliant.


8 posted on 09/18/2006 12:46:22 PM PDT by pgyanke (We can't share the blessings of peace with those for whom violence is holy imperative. -andy58-in-nh)
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To: highball
Well, he also said the views expressed were not his.

He said that in the very speech in which he mentioned those views. He hasn't gone back on the lecture - he reiterated what he said in the lecture.

9 posted on 09/18/2006 12:46:35 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wagglebee

I hope youre right!


10 posted on 09/18/2006 12:46:51 PM PDT by gopwinsin04
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To: gopwinsin04
WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT
SOONER OR LATER
IT'S EITHER THEM
OR US

11 posted on 09/18/2006 12:46:57 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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There are nuns in Somalia?

What an ignorant person.

12 posted on 09/18/2006 12:47:10 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: gopwinsin04

BTW, where is an outlet or outlets where we can voice our opinions to the Moslem world. I hear lots of moslem opinion, but there seems to be no way to tell them exactly what we think of them.


13 posted on 09/18/2006 12:47:18 PM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: highball; Buck W.
Well, he also said the views expressed were not his.

Nor did he verbalize what his personal views are. He certainly didn't indicate that he views Islam as a peaceful religion that has made any positive contribution to civilization.

14 posted on 09/18/2006 12:47:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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And now the Muslims he needlessly inflamed have been handed a victory.

If it's a "victory" then it's a Pyhrric victory. I don't know what it is but I haven't seen the maturity and violent tendencies of Muslims seriously discussed before among many liberals I know as it has been today. It's as if some of them have finally reached the end of their rope.

15 posted on 09/18/2006 12:47:30 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: gopwinsin04

I thought the pope's response was good. He's sorry that the islamic world is made up of fanatic idiots who choose to misinterpret everything. hehehehehehe!!! Mohammed was, is and always will be a pedophile pig that should have been beheaded instead of idolized. Sheesh!


16 posted on 09/18/2006 12:47:40 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: pgyanke; wideawake; wagglebee


Correct on all counts.


17 posted on 09/18/2006 12:48:44 PM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: gopwinsin04

Aaaa! This writer obviously didn't read the lecture.

It is amazing how many people feel like expressing strong opinions about what the Pope said on only second hand knowledge of what he said (usually second-hand knowledge obtained through Muslim extremists who also haven't read the lecture.)


18 posted on 09/18/2006 12:49:19 PM PDT by mhx
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To: gopwinsin04

I'm sure he blinked because he did not want anyone killed because of his comments. But, we all know he was right the first time.Radical Islam must be stopped.


19 posted on 09/18/2006 12:49:21 PM PDT by Courdeleon02
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To: gopwinsin04
Pope Blinks (In Public) in Struggle with Islam

there, that's better...
I suspect the "blink", if that is actually is what it was,
was only for public consumption.
And to buy time as The West struggles to its' senses and decides to fight.
And not commit suicide.
20 posted on 09/18/2006 12:49:53 PM PDT by VOA
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