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Understanding Benedict
The New York Sun ^ | September 18, 2006 | DANIEL JOHNSON

Posted on 09/18/2006 10:22:46 AM PDT by Wuli

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1 posted on 09/18/2006 10:22:47 AM PDT by Wuli
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You're posting some first-rate articles! Thanks! I thought this one, by Daniel Johnson, is an excellent analysis of the Pope's words and intentions, as well as his character. Probably the best and most coherent I have read. I liked this line:

Here, Benedict refuses to back down because he cannot tell a lie.

2 posted on 09/18/2006 10:29:16 AM PDT by livius
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"Many people, Catholics no less than non-Catholics, are bewildered and dismayed by the sudden firestorm of Muslim hostility that has overtaken Pope Benedict XVI since his lecture in Regensburg last Tuesday."

Only an idiot could possibly be bewildered; anyone who's been following events of the last five years will know that the Saracens now insist that any and all statements with respect to Middle Eastern/Islamic affairs be vetted in advance by their mullahs, and that anything less than glowing praise for the "miracle that is Islam" will be followed by media whining, complaints, protests, burnings, riots, beatings, bombs, executions et cetera et cetera yada yada yada by the proponents of what is laughably referred to as the Religion of Peace. It's become so predictable you can set your watch by it.


3 posted on 09/18/2006 10:29:32 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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Can there be any dispute that Pope Benedict XVI got the whole world talking about this? Obviously a lot of people are going to be clueless, but it seems the Pope was spectacularly successful.


4 posted on 09/18/2006 10:34:20 AM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose" -- Mitt Romney, April 2002)
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To: Wuli
I understand him. He said that Islam was to be spread by the sword if required. As you can see by the violent reaction to that statement, a nun killed, churches firebombed, Pope effigy's burned, Al-Quaida in Iraq calling for war (again) and the other various protests, is he not correct?

DEATH TO MOHOMMAD AND DEATH TO RADICAL ISLAM!
5 posted on 09/18/2006 10:35:49 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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moHAMed is dead.


6 posted on 09/18/2006 10:37:57 AM PDT by BarbM
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To: Wuli
The most charitable interpretation... is that he said something that needed to be said, and that the muslims have reacted so predictably that absolutely no one is surprised at their reaction.

It would have been a surprise had muslims published a reasoned response to his remarks, offered to debate, or merely turned it aside in good humor. As it is, they have only proved the pope right. He is right. They are violent people, and while all humans share a violent nature Islam tends to actually encourage violence.

Where are the muslim martyrs who die blessing and forgiving their attackers?

There aren't any.

It is wrong to murder people in order to spread your religion. You would think that was so obvious a pope wouldn't need to say it, and if he said it, it would go unnoticed so obvious is it.

The pope has indirectly accused muslim radicals of being violent, and they are already planning to murder him for it. The Left is already cheering them on. When the killers come for him, the Left will say that he brought it on himself, which is exactly what they said and continue to say about us and the 911 attacks.

7 posted on 09/18/2006 10:39:09 AM PDT by marron
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As a Cardinal he declared our actions against Iraq as "unjust". He sure got me talking then.


8 posted on 09/18/2006 10:40:01 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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"moHAMed is dead. "

DEATH TO FOLLOWERS OF moHAMed THAN.


9 posted on 09/18/2006 10:41:37 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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No, this pope is not naïve. It is our liberal, theologically illiterate politicians who are naïve. We are already at war — a holy war, which we may lose.

Nor is he inconsistent. The Ratzinger of old, his skill in disputation honed over many years of patiently defending Catholic orthodoxy against liberal or secular opponents, was never going to duck the long-postponed doctrinal confrontation with Islam. In his subtle, scholarly way, he is urging the rest of us to face the fact that if we have no faith, we cannot hope to withstand the onslaught of a resurgent Islam.

The Pope is willing to place himself in danger of assassination in order to impress upon folks the dire necessity of understanding those whom we have to confront.

10 posted on 09/18/2006 10:44:08 AM PDT by SuziQ
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The Emperor Manuel II Paleologus, quoted by the Pope, was no slouch. He was a highly intelligent, well educated, and brave leader who was on the front line between Greek (i.e. western) civilization) and the invasion (violent)by the Muslims.He knew exactly what he was talking about.
11 posted on 09/18/2006 10:46:49 AM PDT by Malesherbes
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Can there be any dispute that Pope Benedict XVI got the whole world talking about this?

Exactly -- the conversation has begun. Now if only the Muslims will sit down and talk -- enter the dialogue!

12 posted on 09/18/2006 10:47:13 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Wuli

At least he didn't draw cartoons.


13 posted on 09/18/2006 10:52:12 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: livius

The current Roman Catholic Pope and Daniel Johnson are both long-time intellectuals, and Johson is also a first class writer, who can write well for any audience. Thus Johnson is in an ideal position, much better than others, to understand the Roman Catholic Pope and produce a quality explanation of the Roman Catholic Pope's statements.


14 posted on 09/18/2006 10:52:32 AM PDT by Wuli
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I'd stand with the Pope. Islam IS evil and inhuman (and inhumane.)

And I'm an ordained Methodist pastor.

Besides, allah is no God. mohammed is no prophet. and the koran is no scripture.

Maranatha.

15 posted on 09/18/2006 10:53:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troo This means praying for them to WIN!)
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"In his subtle, scholarly way, he is urging the rest of us to face the fact that if we have no faith, we cannot hope to withstand the onslaught of a resurgent Islam."<P.

This is such a good insight. And it goes with what Tony Blair said a few weeks ago, that we must have confidence in who we are and what we stand for otherwise we will not have the strength to face this enemy.
16 posted on 09/18/2006 10:58:46 AM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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Most of the Muslim world is busy trying to get enough food to eat day to day. However, the religious elite,the imams of the Waihibi sect in Saudi, the Imans in Iran, and the terrorist fanatics led by Al Queda are indeed a violent group that believe the Koran as written and it is a violent religion that expands via the sword. It is also taught that the Koran is absolute truth. Therefore, the deeply religious do believe that Islam is to be expanded via the sword and they believe they are obeying the word of Allah. This is a clash of civilizations and only one will survive. I hope it is Western Christian Civilization that survives the coming clash.

The vast majority of Germans did not want War. A minority of the Germans, the Nazi fanatics, came to power and the whole of the German people paid a very high price for this. I think the same thing will happen with the vast majority of Muslims that are not fanatics. They as with Hitler's Germany are nothing but cannon fodder for their fanaticism.

Western Civilization has had war declared on it. We must recognize this or we will perish.
17 posted on 09/18/2006 11:10:06 AM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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"I'd stand with the Pope. Islam IS evil and inhuman (and inhumane."

The problem with saying that everything about Islam is wholly evil is that there are good things in the Koran BECAUSE Mohammed stole them from the Old and New Testaments. Mohammed was a polytheist converted from that to monotheism because of learning about the Bible from Christians. MOhammed was right about giving to the poor, he was right about the immorality of slavery and some other things too. Because there are Christian principle in the Koran that Mohammed retained (mixed with plenty or error) I don't think you can expect the pope to ever roundly condemn ALL Islamic teaching. And that might be why he said the quote by the long dead Emporer in no way represented his opinion. That quote condemed ALL things new Mohammed brought and used conversion by the sword as an example. The pope agreeded with the conversion by the sword part but perhaps not the the idea that all things Mohammed brought were evil. New things he brought that were compatible with Christian thought were not evil.

18 posted on 09/18/2006 11:14:37 AM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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As a Cardinal he declared our actions against Iraq as "unjust". He sure got me talking then.

I don't remember Cardinal Ratzinger's exact words on the subject of the war, but I do know that the Church NEVER declared that the Iraq war was an UN-Just War. Thus Catholics could take part in it's execution in good conscience. The Church was worried, and still is, about the impact on Catholics, and other Christians as a result of Muslim violence against them in retaliation for the war. But as we all know, Muslims attack Christians even without the pretext of a war.

19 posted on 09/18/2006 11:16:19 AM PDT by SuziQ
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Raztinger was very emphatic that our going into Iraq on our own was unjust and that only the UN had the morale authority to make such a move.


20 posted on 09/18/2006 11:20:04 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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