Vatican tries to calm Pope row as militants vow war

Yahoo - AP ^ | 9/18/06 | Stephen Brown and Philip Pullella

[ArGee]

My point is that the world would be a far saner place without religion

Many people think that atheists they know are better people than theists they know.

The problem with this is the definiton of 'good' they use is Biblical.

Shalom.

[Tax-chick]

Bless your heart ... what a sense of humor!

[onyx]

Mohammed is a fraud irrespective of Jesus. Mohammed hated Jews.

[Salvation]

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[stripes1776]

"We shall break the cross and spill the wine ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome ... (May) God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen," said the statement, posted on Sunday on an Internet site often used by al Qaeda and other militant groups.

That is what Mohammed did and Muslims have been doing for 1400 years. It is simply the heart of Islam.

[ArGee]

Do we really have to list out all the atrocities committed in the name of religion? I'll do it if I have to. That's just a lot of typing.

If you're going to go to the trouble, compare that to the atrocities committed in the name of atheism. You'll never get close to the 100 million or more that have been eradicated just because the bad guys wanted to.

You're right, some people use religion as their excuse to do evil. Some don't. The appropriate conclusion is that people are inclinde to evil, not that the excuses they use force them to be.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

This morning the puke who runs the Dome of the Rock abomination in Jerusalem said that it is time to "Impose the head tax and force the idolaters to accept Islam or accept the Sword".

Two words!

Bring it!

Shalom.

[Sir Gawain]

Kill 'em all.

[Tax-chick]

it's comical and frightening at the same time

Exactly. It's hard to believe that they don't see it, but I guess they really don't.

[Salvation]

**We would all be so much better off without religion in the world. People do crazy stuff when they're all jacked up on religion.**

I disagree. We need a belief in God to give us hope!

[onyx]

LOL

[frogjerk]

My point is that the world would be a far saner place without religion--if everyone were somewhere between atheist and agnostic.

Anarchy would reign.

[NeoCaveman]

Better to be all jacked up on secular humanism?

[AmericanInTokyo]

Come now come now.

Whatever any of us think here on FR this morning about Islamic MEN and their dark deeds, at least we can grant that their womenfolk, Islamic WOMEN have a heart!!

Maybe they can be a moderating force on their men who seem to be so totally against helping others and having pity on the weak in our society....Whatya' say we give 'em a chance to moderate their men!!??

[frogjerk]

However, religions win the atrocity game.

You are making terrible moral equivalence.

[azhenfud]

What's most ironic is the islamites who attacked America on September 11 unwittingly may have set into motion the reverence of the real Jesus Christ's birthday by their attack.

http://petragrail.tripod.com/page5.html


"Hence, it follows that Jesus was born within a few minutes of 6:30-7:30 pm on the evening of September 11th, 3 BC. A confirmation of this time is in the book of Revelation. Historian Ernest L. Martin consulted NASA lunar-phase tables and found the image of the heavens in Revelation 12 showed where the sun and the moon were, relative to Virgo, at the time Jesus was born, pin-pointing sunset of September 11th of 3 BC.
It seems the moon moves so quickly it is "beneath the feet" of Virgo only a few hours every month. Moreover, the moon comes within two lunar diameters of Virgo's feet at the time of a new moon but once in 30 years. The only such occurrence any time near the birth of Jesus was on September 11th, 3 BC."

[Rutles4Ever]

The Vatican is not being naive. They're being extremely effective in proving the point that Islam is not a religion that cares about reason and faith. You also have to remember that, politically, the Vatican has to deal with the jerks at the U.N. while protecting the lives of innocent Christians like the nun who was killed in Somalia. Truth will out. In the meantime, the Church has to shepherd its flock and smooth things over for their protection. It's a bit of a balancing act, but it's their first duty to protect the flock...

The point is, the debate is out there now - and in a very prominent way that the media can no longer ignore. The Pope has asked for a reasoned discussion. He's well aware his invitation will fall on deaf ears. But in the meantime, the Muslims have to show their hand and stand accounted for as a religion that wishes to bring the world into submission by the sword.

[dfwgator]

However, religions win the atrocity game. Most of the stories in the bible are tales of religious persecution, one religion against another. Early Christians executed in Rome. The Crusades, in which innocent blood was spilled with abandon. The cultural conquest of the western hemisphere, which left countless native societies wiped from the face of the earth.

Uhh, those things happened centuries ago. We are talking about today, and almost all of the current atrocities are committed by Muslims.