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Vatican tries to calm Pope row as militants vow war
Yahoo - AP ^ | 9/18/06 | Stephen Brown and Philip Pullella

Posted on 09/18/2006 8:23:58 AM PDT by Borges

Al Qaeda militants in Iraq vowed war on "worshippers of the cross" and protesters burned a papal effigy on Monday over Pope Benedict's comments on Islam, while Western churchmen and statesmen tried to calm passions.

The statement by an umbrella group led by Iraq's branch of al Qaeda came after the Pontiff said on Sunday he was deeply sorry Muslims had been offended by his use of a medieval quotation on Islam and holy war.

"We tell the worshipper of the cross (the Pope) that you and the West will be defeated, as is the case in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya," said a Web statement by the Mujahideen Shura Council.

"We shall break the cross and spill the wine ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome ... (May) God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen," said the statement, posted on Sunday on an Internet site often used by al Qaeda and other militant groups.

In Iraq's southern city of Basra, up to 150 demonstrators chanted slogans and burned a white effigy of the Pope.

"No to aggression!," "We gagged the Pope!," they chanted in front of the governor's office in the Shi'ite city. The protesters also burned German, U.S., and Israeli flags.

A speech by Pope Benedict last Tuesday was seen as portraying Islam as a religion tainted by violence, causing dismay among Muslim states where some religious leaders called it the start of a new Christian crusade against Islam.

The Vatican has instructed its envoys in Muslim countries to explain Pope Benedict's words on Islam.

Benedict's new Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, said the Holy See's nuncios (ambassadors) in Muslim countries would be visiting government and religious leaders.

French President Jacques Chirac refused on Monday to criticize the 79-year-old Pontiff, but called for a more diplomatic use of language.

"It is not my role or my intention to comment on the Pope's statements. I simply want to say, on a general level ... that we must avoid anything that excites tensions between peoples or between religions," Chirac said on Europe 1 radio.

"We must avoid making any link between Islam, which is a great, respected and respectable religion, and radical Islamism, which is a totally different activity and one of a political nature," Chirac added.

ARCHBISHOP DEFENDS POPE

The head of the world's Anglican church, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, defended Benedict.

"The Pope has already issued an apology and I think his views on this need to be judged against his entire record, where he has spoken very positively about dialogue," said Williams, the spiritual leader of 77 million Anglicans worldwide.

Williams told the BBC that all faiths could be distorted, and the Pope was simply giving an example of that.

"There are elements in Islam that can be used to justify violence, just as there are in Christianity and Judaism."

In Iran, a government spokesman said on Monday Pope Benedict's regret was a "good gesture" but not enough.

The Pope had referred to criticism of the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who said everything the Prophet brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Questions had been raised on whether a papal visit to Turkey in November could go ahead, but the government, while calling his remarks "ugly," said there were no plans to call it off.

The Pope, head of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics, said the quotation did not represent his personal views, but failed to satisfy some Islamic groups seeking a full apology.

In Somalia, an Italian nun was killed on Sunday in an attack one Islamist source said could be linked to the dispute. A Vatican spokesman hoped the killing was "an isolated event."

A senior Chinese Muslim expressed anger over the Pope's comments, Xinhua news agency said on Monday. This was in contrast to Chinese reticence over last year's publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a Danish paper that sparked violent Muslim protests elsewhere in the world.

"In his speech, Benedict insulted both Islam and the Prophet Mohammad. This has gravely hurt the feelings of the Muslims across the world, including those from China," Xinhua quoted Chen Guangyuan, president of the Islamic Association of China, as saying.

China insists its Catholics belong to a state-backed church that does not recognize the Pope's authority. Muslims are also under state control.

About 100 Indonesian Muslims protested peacefully over the Pope's remarks outside the Vatican embassy in Jakarta on Monday.


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To: Tax-chick

These people can't the the irony or hypocricy in they're actions and words.... it's comical and frightening at the same time.


21 posted on 09/18/2006 8:37:02 AM PDT by groovejedi ((Bolton For Prez!!))
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To: theCrippledVulture

We can test your hypothesis. Let's look at the explicitly anti-religious states throughout history and see if they were peaceful.

Let's see, there was the Soviet Union. Stalin killed 20-80 million.

Then there was Mao's China. 50 million dead there.

Pol Pot's Cambodia. A third of the country dead.

I think we have to reject your hypothesis. May I suggest a new hypothesis? Good religions like Christianity and Judaism tend to improve people's behavior and bad religions like Islam tend to turn people into psychotic killers.


22 posted on 09/18/2006 8:37:27 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Borges

Uh, they declared war back in the mid 600s. Untill they rewrite the koranus, it aint gonna change!


24 posted on 09/18/2006 8:38:36 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If a monkey bangs away at a typewriter twice a week for ten years it could write an M. Dowd column.)
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To: SheLion
It was just on Fox News that Islam is calling for the Pope to be executed.

Who is Islam?

26 posted on 09/18/2006 8:40:33 AM PDT by Oh Brother
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To: theCrippledVulture
We would all be so much better off without religion in the world. People do crazy stuff when they're all jacked up on religion.

Crazies like Mother Theresa? It's not religion in general, it's a religion in particular.

27 posted on 09/18/2006 8:41:25 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Tax-chick
Shooting a defenseless elderly nun in the back really shows what cowards these Muslims are. The Canadian Military kicked the shit out of the Tali ban (approx. 500 dispatched to Allah) in Afghanistan recently. God was not on their side that is for sure. This example, is what they who wish our demise can expect. They will loose which is why they resort to shooting elderly nuns in the back....
28 posted on 09/18/2006 8:41:56 AM PDT by Wraith (To have peace prepare for War.)
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To: Borges
A speech by Pope Benedict last Tuesday was seen as portraying Islam as a religion tainted by violence, causing dismay among Muslim states where some religious leaders called it the start of a new Christian crusade against Islam.

So they demonstrated their outrage at being called violent by erupting in violence all over the world?

OK - I'm beginning to change my opinion of Muslims. Perhaps it's just that they're a bunch of retards.

Shalom.

29 posted on 09/18/2006 8:43:11 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: theCrippledVulture
>"My point is that the world would be a far saner place without religion--"

Fidel feels the same way you do! Does this tell you something about yourself?

30 posted on 09/18/2006 8:43:13 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (If a monkey bangs away at a typewriter twice a week for ten years it could write an M. Dowd column.)
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To: theCrippledVulture
We would all be so much better off without religion in the world. People do crazy stuff when they're all jacked up on religion.

How about just one religion... say islam?

31 posted on 09/18/2006 8:43:43 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: theCrippledVulture

UM....WHICH religion is doing "crazy stuff?" You're new here, aren't you.


32 posted on 09/18/2006 8:44:38 AM PDT by goodnesswins (I think the real problem is islamo-bombia! (Rummyfan))
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To: theCrippledVulture

Atheistic Communists only killed 100 million, let's give it another chance.


34 posted on 09/18/2006 8:44:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: theCrippledVulture

Yup, like Stalin killing 20 million and Mao killing upwards of 30 million. Those murderous religious fanatics! Oh, wait, they were both atheists!


35 posted on 09/18/2006 8:46:23 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: theCrippledVulture
Why don't you first list all the atrocities of the communists and other atheist movements?
36 posted on 09/18/2006 8:46:40 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: theCrippledVulture
We would all be so much better off without religion in the world. People do crazy stuff when they're all jacked up on religion.

Riiiiiiiiight!!!

Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim.

Those madcap theists are DANGEROUS all right.

Maybe you're confusing religion with human nature - you know, that thing the Jewish and Christian religions attempt to control?

Shalom.

37 posted on 09/18/2006 8:48:07 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: goldstategop

Denounce? This morning the puke who runs the Dome of the Rock abomination in Jerusalem said that it is time to "Impose the head tax and force the idolaters to accept Islam or accept the Sword". I hate these animals and I hate the people who unceasingly excuse their violence.


38 posted on 09/18/2006 8:48:10 AM PDT by PeterFinn (Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.)
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To: theCrippledVulture


My goodness. You waited 4 days after signing on to FR to post. How special is that?


39 posted on 09/18/2006 8:48:27 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: Borges

If Jesus is Christ then Mohhamad is a fraud. They really don't need more of an excuse than that to declare war on Christianity.


40 posted on 09/18/2006 8:48:44 AM PDT by DManA
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