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Vatican tries to calm Pope row as militants vow war
Yahoo - AP ^ | 9/18/06 | Stephen Brown and Philip Pullella

Posted on 09/18/2006 8:23:58 AM PDT by Borges

Al Qaeda militants in Iraq vowed war on "worshippers of the cross" and protesters burned a papal effigy on Monday over Pope Benedict's comments on Islam, while Western churchmen and statesmen tried to calm passions.

The statement by an umbrella group led by Iraq's branch of al Qaeda came after the Pontiff said on Sunday he was deeply sorry Muslims had been offended by his use of a medieval quotation on Islam and holy war.

"We tell the worshipper of the cross (the Pope) that you and the West will be defeated, as is the case in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya," said a Web statement by the Mujahideen Shura Council.

"We shall break the cross and spill the wine ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome ... (May) God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen," said the statement, posted on Sunday on an Internet site often used by al Qaeda and other militant groups.

In Iraq's southern city of Basra, up to 150 demonstrators chanted slogans and burned a white effigy of the Pope.

"No to aggression!," "We gagged the Pope!," they chanted in front of the governor's office in the Shi'ite city. The protesters also burned German, U.S., and Israeli flags.

A speech by Pope Benedict last Tuesday was seen as portraying Islam as a religion tainted by violence, causing dismay among Muslim states where some religious leaders called it the start of a new Christian crusade against Islam.

The Vatican has instructed its envoys in Muslim countries to explain Pope Benedict's words on Islam.

Benedict's new Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, said the Holy See's nuncios (ambassadors) in Muslim countries would be visiting government and religious leaders.

French President Jacques Chirac refused on Monday to criticize the 79-year-old Pontiff, but called for a more diplomatic use of language.

"It is not my role or my intention to comment on the Pope's statements. I simply want to say, on a general level ... that we must avoid anything that excites tensions between peoples or between religions," Chirac said on Europe 1 radio.

"We must avoid making any link between Islam, which is a great, respected and respectable religion, and radical Islamism, which is a totally different activity and one of a political nature," Chirac added.

ARCHBISHOP DEFENDS POPE

The head of the world's Anglican church, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, defended Benedict.

"The Pope has already issued an apology and I think his views on this need to be judged against his entire record, where he has spoken very positively about dialogue," said Williams, the spiritual leader of 77 million Anglicans worldwide.

Williams told the BBC that all faiths could be distorted, and the Pope was simply giving an example of that.

"There are elements in Islam that can be used to justify violence, just as there are in Christianity and Judaism."

In Iran, a government spokesman said on Monday Pope Benedict's regret was a "good gesture" but not enough.

The Pope had referred to criticism of the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who said everything the Prophet brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Questions had been raised on whether a papal visit to Turkey in November could go ahead, but the government, while calling his remarks "ugly," said there were no plans to call it off.

The Pope, head of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics, said the quotation did not represent his personal views, but failed to satisfy some Islamic groups seeking a full apology.

In Somalia, an Italian nun was killed on Sunday in an attack one Islamist source said could be linked to the dispute. A Vatican spokesman hoped the killing was "an isolated event."

A senior Chinese Muslim expressed anger over the Pope's comments, Xinhua news agency said on Monday. This was in contrast to Chinese reticence over last year's publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a Danish paper that sparked violent Muslim protests elsewhere in the world.

"In his speech, Benedict insulted both Islam and the Prophet Mohammad. This has gravely hurt the feelings of the Muslims across the world, including those from China," Xinhua quoted Chen Guangyuan, president of the Islamic Association of China, as saying.

China insists its Catholics belong to a state-backed church that does not recognize the Pope's authority. Muslims are also under state control.

About 100 Indonesian Muslims protested peacefully over the Pope's remarks outside the Vatican embassy in Jakarta on Monday.


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KEYWORDS: catholiclist; islam; muslims; pope; yippycrusadesareback
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To: murphE

Silly. The Crusades were defensive wars.>>>>>>>

Thank you so much for stating the truth here about the crusades. I am proud of the crusades. My children's Catholic high school moniker is the Crusaders. No fear here, nothing to apologize for or feel bad about. I think some confuse the crusades with the inquisition.


101 posted on 09/18/2006 10:17:45 AM PDT by SaintDismas (.)
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To: theCrippledVulture

You sound just like rosie fatass b!tch o'd!ckhead and her "radical Christianity is as bad as radical islam".

satan and evil exists whether you believe in them or not... they believe in you!

LLS


102 posted on 09/18/2006 10:19:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: Jersey Freethinker
I’ve resisted joining FR for the longest time but I just can’t keep my mouth shut anymore.

ROTFLMAO!

What a total waste of bandwidth.

103 posted on 09/18/2006 10:23:10 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: onyx

You are exactly right. The bible is a waste of (you fill in the blank).


104 posted on 09/18/2006 10:26:39 AM PDT by Jersey Freethinker (People should read the Bible)
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To: Jersey Freethinker


You are a troll.


106 posted on 09/18/2006 10:28:34 AM PDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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To: docman57

That was not necessary, doc.

This person may be new here, but he looks seasoned in Internet wars to me. Not the kind of person who will forget a comment like yours.

Need to keep a cool head, my friend, ok?


107 posted on 09/18/2006 10:32:38 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: Jersey Freethinker
And I'm not going to apologize for what I have just posted. I am just quoting verses from the Bible and am not responsible for their content!

And God doesn't have to apologize to you for what is in its contents either. If you don't like what is in Sacred Scripture, tough!

108 posted on 09/18/2006 10:48:05 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: theCrippledVulture; Tax-chick; ArGee
Crippled Vulture's entire repertoire of comments in FR is to slam religion.
109 posted on 09/18/2006 10:51:28 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
I'm not surprised.

It's not hard to spot those who attack religion without having really thought about what they are saying. They are an awful lot like mind-numbed robots.

Shalom.

110 posted on 09/18/2006 10:54:02 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: theCrippledVulture

I sincerely disagree. You have only one fact right: that it was Alexis Comnenus who requested the help. To call what the Turks were doing 'an incursion' is to say that sawing the head of a helpless captive is 'surgery'. Nice sugarcoating there, and clearly aid and comfort to enemies of the United States.

This kind of slanging is not constructive. If you have actual data to contribute which no one here might be aware of (which, at this late date, is highly improbable) then do that instead of hurling characterizations centuries old as verbal weapons.

Maybe you aren't as seasoned as I inferred.


111 posted on 09/18/2006 10:54:02 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: Borges

Pope: "You know, you guys can be a little violent at times."

Muslims: "Nonsense, we're a religion of peace! We tell the worshipper of the cross (the Pope) that you and the West will be defeated, as is the case in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya," said a Web statement by the Mujahideen Shura Council. We shall break the cross and spill the wine ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome ... (May) God enable us to slit your throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen."

Things that make you go, "Hmmmm."


112 posted on 09/18/2006 10:55:13 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: little jeremiah
Crippled Vulture's entire repertoire of comments in FR is to slam religion.

What we have here in Crippled Vulture and JerseyFreethinker are two atheists in need of repentance.

Since they have been so brutally honest with us, let's as Christians, be brutally honest with them. Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, or suffer the consequences.

113 posted on 09/18/2006 10:56:26 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: Jersey Freethinker

"Even in America the self-righteous moralistic Christians murdered thousands of witches in the name of religion."

Thousands, eh? Care to post some supporting documentation of that assertion?


114 posted on 09/18/2006 10:57:22 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Jersey Freethinker

Don't troll this news thread with your theological challenges.


115 posted on 09/18/2006 10:59:02 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: wequalswinner
I think some confuse the crusades with the inquisition.

I don't apologize for that either.

The Real Inquisition

116 posted on 09/18/2006 11:04:13 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Salvation
Al Qaeda 2006 AD: Al Qaeda militants in Iraq vowed war on "worshippers of the cross" and protesters burned a papal effigy on Monday over Pope Benedict's comments on Islam, while Western churchmen and statesmen tried to calm passions. "We tell the worshipper of the cross (the Pope) that you and the West will be defeated, as is the case in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya," said a Web statement by the Mujahideen Shura Council. "We shall break the cross and spill the wine ... God will (help) Muslims to conquer Rome ... (May) God enable us to slit their throats, and make their money and descendants the bounty of the mujahideen," said the statement, posted on Sunday on an Internet site often used by al Qaeda and other militant groups.

Fatima 1917 AD: "And we saw in an immense light that is God: 'something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God."

117 posted on 09/18/2006 11:18:09 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Oh Brother
Who is Islam?

Excuse me???

118 posted on 09/18/2006 11:22:39 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: little jeremiah
Thousands, eh? Care to post some supporting documentation of that assertion?


Sorry, I erred in my haste. I meant throughout the world not just the US. However the following information is provided by SalemWitchTrials.com:

Victims of the Salem Witch Trials of 1692

Every victim was an unfortunate tragedy of the Salem Witch Trials. Some were hanged, others died in prison while awaiting trial. One was even pressed to death. This page lists the victims, when they perished and how it happened.

Hanged on June 10
Bridget Bishop, Salem
Hanged on July 19
Sarah Good, Salem Village
Rebecca Nurse, Salem Village
Susannah Martin, Amesbury
Elizabeth How, Ipswich
Sarah Wilds, Topsfield

Hanged on August 19
George Burroughs, Wells, Maine
John Proctor, Salem Village
John Willard, Salem Village
George Jacobs, Sr., Salem Town
Martha Carrier, Andover

September 19
Giles Corey, Salem Farms, pressed to death

Hanged on September 22
Martha Corey, Salem Farms
Mary Eastey, Topsfield
Alice Parker, Salem Town
Ann Pudeater, Salem Town
Margaret Scott, Rowley
Wilmott Reed, Marblehead
Samuel Wardwell, Andover
Mary Parker, Andover

Other accused witches that were not hanged, but died in prison:
Sarah Osborne, Salem Village
Roger Toothaker, Billerica
Lyndia Dustin, Reading
Ann Foster, Andover

Thirteen others may have also died in prison, but sources conflict on the exact number.
END QUOTE

My point is that even ONE death in the name of religion must by any moral ethic be a tragedy to be condemned and these deaths were certainly due to religious bigotry.

And to the moderator - I have no agenda other than to speak truth freely (mostly quoting other sources) without posting any personal feelings - unlike a lot of FReeper with their obsenities and single minded opinions. I see their spewed venom no different than the venom spewed by those they seek to criticize. For all intents and purposes I have said my final word here and will not post again if you want to censor what I have said.
119 posted on 09/18/2006 11:26:59 AM PDT by Jersey Freethinker (People should read the Bible)
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