Race and Conservatism

New English Review ^ | September 2006 | John Derbyshire

[Jotmo]

This has to be the most outstanding article on race relations in our country that I've ever read.

It deserves another chance to be seen.

So here's a BIG BUMP.

[goldstategop]

I agree. But such thinking is banned on FR because groups like Vdare are assumed to be racist. If conservatives do not subscribe to the prevailing racial orthodoxy, they're banned from polite society. The existence of real group as opposed to individual differences is also a fact of nature - not just culture. In America we're trapped within the bounds of DZGD precisely due to the poisonous legacy of racism. But its being stifled by that dogma which has prevented conservatives from offering non-liberal solutions to address the issue of race in America today.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[goldstategop]

In a non-racist context, group differences can be frankly summarized as follows: one group is excellent at one sort of pursuit, middling in another and hopeless in another. Just as individuals have geniuses, average folks and idiots. This is admitted both by life, observation and by human nature. (In social science, we're familiar with this as the Bell Curve.) We should aim to treat people in character as equals but treat them differently according to their innate cognitive and physical abilities. That concept offends the very notion of the DZGD dogma, which says every one has the same degree of intelligence, moral upbringing and physical strength. Two examples should illustrate of how absurd is our outlook on group differences. Few blacks are academic superstars but they are athletic wunderkinds. Few women have upper body strength but they are great teachers. Its a general observation of real group differences in the sense that the abilities extend not just across individuals but groups. Just as individuals are not all alike, neither are the groups of which they are members the same in every respect.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[cyborg]

One large group of citizens avoids, and is avoided by, the other—just look at patterns of residential segregation. The traditional American approach to dire social problems is to move away from them: hence “white flight,” the growth of gated communities, new townships in the desert, and so on. That can’t go on. The USA is big, but not so big that we can keep running away from each other indefinitely.

** We moved out to Long Island right before the area of Rochdale took the nosedive. My father didn't think it was safe for us to live there anymore. The man that lived next to the house we moved into did not want any black people living next to him. One already moved in next door to him and my mother irritated him more because she was with a white man. I had a lot of white friends but boy they disappeared one after another. My nabe wasn't violent but it got to be a very lonely place. I've been on both sides of the white flight thing. Some people move because they just do not like a person, or persons.

[cyborg]

Vdare is racist. Maybe you don't think so because most of what they say doesn't apply to you. In case you forgot, FR isn't all white. So yeah when someone posts BS from Vdare HELL YES I'm going to hit abuse. If you want to post Vdare articles then go to Stormfront where it's welcome. That's all I have to say about Vdare.

[goldstategop]

The perception being around blacks is an invitation to ask to be raped, assaulted or murdered is probably unfair when you're looking at it in terms of individuals. But when you know blacks as a group are more prone to criminal behavior that changes people's outlook to one of risk avoidance. This is not just restricted to whites. Black cabbies won't drive you into certain neighborhoods that they know are dangerous. You may as the DZGD believers do, this is just sheer racism. But I think there's something more to that with the ability of human beings to appreciate group differences. Quite frankly speaking, I wouldn't want to live in a Muslim neighborhood either as a non-Muslim.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[cyborg]

Like I said...Stormfront is waiting!

[goldstategop]

We Americans view all individuals as deserving of equal treatment under the law. That's a given. But groups are just not the same. Differences are bound to emerge between them in a free society. They can even exchange positions. Just like the Republicans and Democrats did in the past election.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[goldstategop]

There is racism, which is always wrong. This is due to a perverted understanding of group differences. But group differences will exist no matter what you do to censor them or deny them as the adherents of DZGD do.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[cyborg]

Okay fine. You're free to believe whatever you want. I do not have agree with you and not wanting to read it on a daily basis doesn't make me an agent of DZDG,whatever that means. There are plenty of websites that make it their life's work to discuss this issue.

[goldstategop]

I'm not getting into a flame war here. This thread is about group differences. OK, racists hold that means every one outside their chosen group is inferior. What is the non-racist answer to the reality of group differences? I'd be interested in hearing your take on this subject, so this discussion can intelligently proceed somewhere.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[cyborg]

No flame war at all. I have much better things to do with my time. As for intelligent discussion regarding this issue or any issues regarding 'race', I know what I'm dealing with and it's not intelligent discussion by any stretch of the imagination esp. on FR. Have a nice weekend.

[supercat]

Black cabbies won't drive you into certain neighborhoods that they know are dangerous.

Are the neighborhoods dangerous because of the race of the people who live there, or because the people there subscribe to the evil philosophies espoused by Jesse Jackson et al.?

[TAdams8591]

"Worse yet, and even setting aside issues of class and status, black and nonblack Americans have drifted apart, and in many respects are further from common citizenship now than they were fifty years ago. We do not, for example, watch the same TV programs and movies."

or in many cases, listen to the same music. Even in the 60's, whites and blacks listened to the same popular music. And both white and black musical entertainers appeared on the same programs,like American Bandstand for instance. This is no longer true. In many ways we no longer share the same culture and are more divided than ever before.

This is the best article I've ever read on the topic of race by far. Simply astounding.

[goldstategop]

Ironic you should bring up Jesse Jackson for he has often said he's relieved if a group of people behind him where white churchgoers rather than bangers from the hood. There is a danger associated with blacks absent from whites today. Although the case was the reverse a century ago when blacks could tell you it was dangerous to be around whites. In a way, the legacy of our perception of group differences has played itself out in both blacks and whites choosing to keep group interaction to a minimum even if they have dropped the taboos on individual relationships, like friendships and marriage.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[goldstategop]

Its not just racial, its cultural. Conservatives and Liberals do not inhabit the same country. Think of how Red and Blue America as terms to capture group differences have entered our national vocabulary. This too is astounding.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

[stainlessbanner]

bump

[TAdams8591]

"Few blacks are academic superstars but they are athletic wunderkinds."

The above is for a whole host of reasons, none of which is that Black people innately lack intelligence.

[GSlob]

Well, I looked at that stormfront couple of times, and found it untenable. Do not remember ever hearing of Vdare, but thanks for mentioning it - when something is roundly denounced, one needs to look at it a bit closer. Sometimes the obloqui is deserved, and sometimes it is not.