Forum becomes anti-illegal immigrant rally

Burlington County Times ^ | 9/17/2006 | JASON HARRIS

[Sharks]

RIVERSIDE — An event billed as an educational forum about federal immigration law quickly became a rally against illegal immigration yesterday as speakers decried an “invasion” of illegal immigrants and warned a second Civil War is brewing.

Addressing a supportive crowd of about 30 at Spring Garden Park, speakers from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control and the Buchanan 2008 Campaign — a grassroots effort to convince political pundit Pat Buchanan, who famously called for a wall to be built along the U.S.-Mexico border, to run for president — blamed illegal immigrants for driving down wages and sucking up welfare.

The angriest rhetoric came from Miguel Cruz and Carmen Morales of You Don't Speak for Me, American Hispanic Voices Speaking Out Against Illegal Immigration, who condemned illegal immigrants for ineffectual schools, debasing U.S. culture and bastardizing the English language.

“Go back to where you came from,” Morales said. “You are not citizens. You don't belong here.”

Standing in a pavilion draped with American flags, Cruz was even more strident, calling illegal immigrants murderers, rapists, child molesters, gang members and illiterate carriers of disease.

To those who disagree, Cruz said, “You are racists; you are traitors because you hate America. To some of us, it smells like there is a civil war approaching and this American is ready.”

“I haven't seen such hate since the March on Selma,” said Dave Verduin, the president of a coalition of local business owners and landlords opposed to Riverside's recently enacted anti-illegal immigrant ordinance. “I came because they said it would be a non-partisan forum. This is misinformation; they said it would be educational.”

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

“I haven't seen such hate since the March on Selma,” said Dave Verduin, the president of a coalition of local business owners and landlords opposed to Riverside's recently enacted anti-illegal immigrant ordinance. “I came because they said it would be a non-partisan forum. This is misinformation; they said it would be educational.”

It is educational; you're getting an education on how some Americans feel about illegal aliens. Listen and learn.

[Howlin]

Now you seem to be trying to run me off FR entirely- not sure why that would be either.

Drama queen! Get over yourself.

[onyx]

To: EternalVigilance
We've already covered this ground. We're all conservatives here. So if you are coming down on them, you are coming down on conservatives too. So what makes your attacks on conservatives any less grievous than theirs?

95 posted on 09/18/2006 3:24:44 AM CDT by Jim Robinson
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To: EternalVigilance
So be it. Is this confession the end of your complaint?



96 posted on 09/18/2006 3:25:30 AM CDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
It's not a confession. My "dirty hands" are your construction. I should have been clearer and said, "If defending conservatives and conservatism gives me dirty hands in your eyes, so be it.

97 posted on 09/18/2006 3:29:16 AM CDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Jim Robinson
"So what makes your attacks on conservatives any less grievous than theirs?"

Because they're no more conservative than I'm the Pope.


98 posted on 09/18/2006 3:30:48 AM CDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Dirty hands are dirty hands. If you attack other people on this forum, as you have confessed, you have dirty hands. So, when you complain to me or the moderators about others attacking you, just remember, if you wish your complaints to be taken seriously, be sure that your own hands remain clean. Now go forth my son and attack no more.



99 posted on 09/18/2006 3:34:28 AM CDT by Jim Robinson
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To: EternalVigilance
LOL. So that gives you grounds to attack them?

It's a never ending vicious cycle.

100 posted on 09/18/2006 3:36:08 AM CDT by Jim Robinson
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[Howlin]

They just couldn't resist coming on over and proving how right I was in my conversation with Jim last night.

So these "liberals" you were talking about last night to Jim are me and onyx and BigSkyFreeper and the rest of us who don't agree with you or your methods, is that what you're saying?

[Howlin]

You must be having a bad day, huh? First you found out you're not really a moderator and now EV is saying you're not really a conservative!

[Tammy8]

You are the second one to suggest I leave, or maybe the third. What is your authority to ask or tell freepers to leave?

Funny you posted to me, so I take it your opinions are welcome here and mine aren't? What makes you think so?

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

My idea has multiple benefits:

1. It's cheap.

2. It rolls back decades of socialism. News flash: the only way the Southwestern US is habitable by large numbers of people is through 100% Genuine Accept-No-Substitutes Commie-loving Socialism^TM.

3. It would actually work.

[BigSkyFreeper]

The #5 horse "It's Over" down for the count

Giddy-up!

[onyx]

Brave EV couldn't summon up the courage to name us last night when Jim was here.

To: EternalVigilance
Oh, go ahead and spit it out EV. Say RINO.

Anyone who doesn't march to your specific agenda is deemed and called a RINO by you.



74 posted on 09/18/2006 2:19:04 AM CDT by onyx (1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
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[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

I do not think it is fair to bash Travis when he is not allowed to defend himself here.

When did they announce life was supposed to be "fair?"

One of the price tags of saying over-the-top stupid stuff on a web forum is that you will get banned and be unable to defend yourself from the righteous butt-kicking that will ensue. Deal with it.

[Howlin]

Such a surprise.

[MikefromOhio]

yep that was OWNAGE in it's purest form.

[onyx]

Now go forth my son and attack no more.

ROTFLOL!

[harrowup]

Howlin is NOT a moderator.

Oh, crap; I'm doomed.

[Howlin]

Oh, no, I was keeping you; I'm a liberal, haven't you heard?

[onyx]

Onyx is NOT a moderator.

You might as well pack up now.

[onyx]

We've lost our powers, what shall we do?

[MikefromOhio]

LOL

I'm still going down through it....

[PRND21]

Bump to the righteous butt-kicking.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Funny you posted to me, so I take it your opinions are welcome here and mine aren't?

Funny that, you keep posting to me. My opinions are welcome here because I share the same common goal of conservatism as the founder. I don't walk in lockstep with anyone, it just so happens my opinions are shared with others around here, and I don't go around advocating fellow Americans be hung from trees simply because I disagree with them. THAT is what you're defending, and THAT is what got Travis the heave-ho from FR.