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Powell leads the right in a Bush-whack
The Sunday Times(UK) ^ | Septemebr 17, 2006 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 09/17/2006 3:22:21 PM PDT by Dane

Powell leads the right in a Bush-whack Andrew Sullivan In my first year in America, as a budding young conservative, my old friend, the writer John O’Sullivan, invited me out to dinner. The dinner, it turned out, was with none other than William F Buckley, a man who remains the undisputed titan of American conservatism.

Buckley became famous in America in the 1950s and 1960s for being a conservative intellectual when such a thing was regarded as axiomatically oxymoronic. He founded the National Review, the indispensable magazine for the burgeoning American conservative movement.

He was one of the inspirations for Barry Goldwater’s emergence as a conservative Republican nominee in 1964, and instrumental in Ronald Reagan’s long, steady intellectual march to power. I wasn’t having dinner with just anyone that night — but with a man for whom the phrase eminence grise seemed to have been invented.

I recall this because if Buckley has decided George W Bush is not a conservative, it cannot be easily dismissed. Some of us were so appalled by Bush’s profligate spending, abuse of power and recklessness in warfare that we reluctantly backed John Kerry in 2004 as the more authentically conservative candidate. Many Republicans scoffed. Now fewer do.

“I think Mr Bush faces a singular problem, best defined, I think, as the absence of effective conservative ideology,” Buckley recently explained. “[The president] ended up being very extravagant in domestic spending, extremely tolerant of excesses by Congress. And in respect of foreign policy, incapable of bringing together such forces as apparently were necessary to conclude the Iraq challenge . . . There will be no legacy for Mr Bush. I don’t believe his successor would re-enunciate the words he used in his second inaugural address because they were too ambitious. So therefore I think his legacy is indecipherable.”

His legacy, I’d argue, is actually quite decipherable. It includes two bungled wars, a doubling of the national debt, a ruination of America’s moral high ground in the war against Islamist terror, the worst US intelligence fiasco since the Bay of Pigs, and the emergence of Iran as a regional and potentially nuclear power with control of the West’s energy supplies.

But the damage to America itself — to its cultural balance and constitutional order — is just as profound. In a recent CNN story on Southern women and the Republicans, one voter explained: “There are some people, and I’m one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord. I don’t care how he governs, I will support him. I’m a Republican through and through.”

American conservatism has gone from being a political philosophy rooted in scepticism of power, empirical judgment and limited government into an ideology based in born-again religious faith, immune to empirical reality and dedicated to the relentless expansion of presidential clout. It sanctions wiretapping without court warrants, indefinite detention without trial and the use of torture.

Last week saw perhaps the tipping point in the reawakening of the traditional conservative perspective. In the Senate, the president’s bid to legalise torture and ad hoc military tribunals was stopped not by the Democrats but by four key Republican senators: John McCain of Arizona, the frontrunner for the Republican nomination in 2008, John Warner of Virginia, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Susan Collins of Maine.

They were supported by the former secretary of state, Colin Powell, who penned a public letter to McCain opposing Bush’s detention policies. “The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism,” Powell observed. “To redefine common article 3 [of the Geneva convention] would add to those doubts. Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk.”

It is hard to dismiss McCain and Powell as men who do not know a thing about war or torture. One was tortured by the Vietcong; another actually won a war in Iraq. The contrast with the current White House is almost painful to observe.

Two weeks ago, word leaked that the president’s political guru, Karl Rove, was hoping to use the issue of who was tough enough on military prisoners against the Democrats in the November congressional elections. He was going to tar them as wimps again for not waterboarding terror suspects. But that strategy was stopped in its tracks by Senator Graham.

“This is not about November 2006. It is not about your election,” Graham declared with passion. “It is about those who take risks to defend America.”

Graham is also a former military lawyer and, along with the entire legal leadership in the US military, opposes Bush’s military kangaroo courts. “It would be unacceptable legally in my opinion to give someone the death penalty in a trial where they never heard the evidence against them,” he said of the White House proposal. “‘Trust us, you’re guilty, we’re going to execute you, but we can’t tell you why’? That’s not going to pass muster; that’s not necessary.” It’s also, well, not American.

To add to the revolt, last week six leading conservative writers penned separate essays on why the Republicans deserve to lose the November congressional elections. Here’s a stunning quote from one of them: “The United States has seen political swings and produced its share of extremists, but its political character, whether liberals or conservatives have been in charge, has always remained fundamentally Burkean. The constitution itself is a Burkean document, one that slows down decisions to allow for ‘deliberate sense’ and checks and balances.

“President Bush has nearly upended that tradition, abandoning traditional realism in favour of a warped and incoherent brand of idealism. At this dangerous point in history, we must depend on the decisions of an astonishingly feckless chief executive: an empty vessel filled with equal parts Rove and Rousseau.”

That passage was written by Jeffrey Hart, a speechwriter for Nixon and Reagan and another pillar of the conservative movement. It’s a sign of a brewing conservative revolt against Bush’s policies that may crest at November’s elections.

Bush has allies in the House of Representatives — but what appears to be a unified and stalwart resistance in the Republican-controlled Senate. It turns out that the US does have a functioning opposition party after all. It’s called the authentically conservative wing of the Republicans.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: andrewsullivan; bushdoesnotpander; cultureoftreason; elephanteatsownhead; powell; powellthenemywithin; riskusatoscrewbush; sullivan
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To: Veronica Mars

Well, hey, when the shoe fits. She was on Fox News yesterday, saying the exact same thing. Sorry.


81 posted on 09/17/2006 7:22:41 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: A Citizen Reporter

I just read your profile and see you're a self proclaimed bushbot. Sorry to have wasted your time discussing actual issues.


82 posted on 09/17/2006 7:27:17 PM PDT by Veronica Mars
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To: Leo Carpathian

silly moderate...moral victories are for democrats....


83 posted on 09/17/2006 7:27:39 PM PDT by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: Veronica Mars
"just read your profile and see you're a self proclaimed bushbot.

You're real investigative reporter there.

LOL!

84 posted on 09/17/2006 7:28:49 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: John Lenin

You rock....damn straight...

Or as my grandfather used to say

"sucks like dead japs"


85 posted on 09/17/2006 7:29:29 PM PDT by Crim (I may be a Mr "know it all"....but I'm also a Mr "forgot most of it"...)
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To: Veronica Mars

Ms Mars, you should go over to DU, you are using the same talking points as Howard Dean.


86 posted on 09/17/2006 7:35:28 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Toadman

bookmark to get myself pissed off.


87 posted on 09/17/2006 7:35:58 PM PDT by Toadman (RUMSFELD/ROVE 08)
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To: ExcursionGuy84
Please, God, engage the commode handle as no mortal can, and flush these sh*t for brains bastards from the bathroom of America.Not to mention their excrement all over the living room carpet.
88 posted on 09/17/2006 7:39:46 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The devil himself is less of a demon, than the devout and peace loving Islamofaciest who serve him.)
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To: AndyJackson
I rather think Iraq I was won by Schwartzkopf ...

From what I've read, he advocated a straight-up-the-middle attack but fortunately was overruled.

89 posted on 09/17/2006 7:43:16 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: outdriving
I am with you for small business and against monopolies.

The best way to make that happen is to limit government from fettering businessmen as much as possible, including where to source their parts, products, or services.

I don't see how you intervene in the economy in favor of locally sourced goods, except by creating a huge and oppressive government.

Adam Smith wrote about "The Wealth of Nations", not the "Wealth of My Nation". At a time when Mother England was squeezing and irrevocably alienating its colonies, from America to India, Adam Smith saw the good of ALL nations prospering, and identified economic behavior that prevails from Peoria to Timbuktu if not constrained by collectivist government.

I see this totally in line with the Judeo-Christian tradition and our nation's founding documents, which are expressly open to inclusion of all peoples, thus GLOBAL.
90 posted on 09/17/2006 7:44:39 PM PDT by kenavi (Save romance. Stop teen sex.)
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To: John Lenin
They wouldn't like me at DU, I'm a pro-life, pro-gun, fiscally responsible, small government conservative and a registered Republican.

And instead of lumping me in with the DU crowd, lets talk about the issues. I'm with McCain on this one, we need a lot more troops over there, I disagree 100% with the DU crowd that advocates withdrawl or redeployment as they call it.
91 posted on 09/17/2006 7:46:28 PM PDT by Veronica Mars
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To: Veronica Mars
What is going on in Iraq now is unavoidable. More troops would be a waste of our resources. There is a lot of payback going on for the the crimes of Saddam. Get the instant gratification, microwave popcorn thoughts out of your head, they will be killing each other for a long time to come..

The Islamofascists are counting on people like you to turn tale and run so they can claim victory even though they never won a single battle.

Our own civil war caused 600,000 casualties and kept the north and south seperate for 60-70 years. If we pull out of Iraq and let the fanatics take over you can kiss your heritage goodbye because the US and Europe will never recover.

Europe has more to lose than we have if Iraq fails because they are more spineless than the democrats in this country.
92 posted on 09/17/2006 8:05:47 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
The Islamofascists are counting on people like you to turn tale and run so they can claim victory even though they never won a single battle.

What part of "I want more troops in Iraq" don't you understand? How is calling for more troops turning tale and running? Wow, now I've heard it all.
93 posted on 09/17/2006 8:13:50 PM PDT by Veronica Mars
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

"Bush is no Reagan/Goldwater conservative. He is a tool of the religious right and diehard Bushbots trying to pass themnselves off as conservatives. And does anyone really think that Bush trying to see how much he can legally get away with in the name of fighting terrorism or allowing money to be spent like a sailor on leave is conservatism?"

Do you every wonder what success our country would have had if YOUR senator and his ilk had put our country first? Which dems do you think will serve our country better in 2006 and 2008?

This forum sounds more like DU every day.


94 posted on 09/17/2006 8:21:52 PM PDT by PROUDAMREP
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To: Veronica Mars

More troops is not the solution, this is a game of chicken now, the first one to blink loses.


95 posted on 09/17/2006 8:22:13 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin

You accused me of wanting to turn tale and run. How does my advocating more troops justify that accusation?


96 posted on 09/17/2006 8:24:02 PM PDT by Veronica Mars
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To: Veronica Mars

No doubt you would complain and give up once you saw that it didn't matter that we have more troops as targets. You want to sacrifice Rumsfeld to give the RATS ammunition that Iraq is a failure. I can read between the lines of what you are trying to do here.


97 posted on 09/17/2006 8:27:02 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: John Lenin
No doubt you would complain and give up once you saw that it didn't matter that we have more troops as targets. You want to sacrifice Rumsfeld to give the RATS ammunition that Iraq is a failure. I can read between the lines of what you are trying to do here.

OK, sure. Once more the record, I support more troops in Iraq, I oppose any time table for withdrawal. I want to win in Iraq. I'm not going to waste any more time expecting you to apologize for sticking your foot in your mouth. Bye bye.
98 posted on 09/17/2006 8:32:37 PM PDT by Veronica Mars
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To: Veronica Mars; John Lenin; A Citizen Reporter
I think what is happening here is BDSBM = "Bush Derangement Syndrome Backlash Mania." Just because Bush-Deranged people say a particular thing, like we need accountability from our leaders, doesn't mean that this sentence can't be honestly used by an Earth person, like Veronica Mars, in a particular context.

I didn't see any cause for flaming except for that resemblance of sentences. We need to be able to debate here.

99 posted on 09/17/2006 8:34:20 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Dane

We should care what the Log in Cabin Republicans think??

Pray for W and Our Troops


100 posted on 09/17/2006 8:38:32 PM PDT by bray (Voting for the Rats is a Deathwish)
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