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To: Principled
The prebate makes necessity level spending tax free.

The size of the prebate has nothing to do with taxes paid, goods and services purchased, or income earned. It is determined by family size, and that, alone.

Further, your claim that people below the poverty level spend up to and exceeding the poverty level is somewhat misleading because "spend" in the sense you are using the word includes charitable gifts to the family as income spent. As I understand it, taxes are not paid either by the charity or the family. I'm not suggesting that's wrong, just noting what is. Sometimes that's called telling the truth.

For those reasons, the prebate is not a refund of taxes paid, or about to be paid. It is a grant, or entitlement, as FairTaxers say, to be spent or saved, or to do anything one wishes to do with it.

189 posted on 09/22/2006 8:02:39 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
The size of the prebate has nothing to do with taxes paid, goods and services purchased, or income earned. It is determined by family size, and that, alone.

And lucy, what family size, and that, alone will not spend up to the poverty line?

BLS DATA?

This data shows that the number of people who receive more in refunds than they pay will be negligible if not zero. BTW lucy, do you even know how many do now under the income tax and how much?

You don't or you wouldn't be continually bring this up.

This is a strong point for the nrst - less redistribution than now.

I will note here that on this thread alone you have said that the nrst is bad because it gives overpayment of refunds to some people. But when it is pointed out and shown with data that the nrst gives near zero out over tax payments made, you said the nrst is bad for poor people.

So is it bad for poor people because they don't get overpayments of refunds?

Or is it bad because poor people do get overpayments of refunds?!

You have to pick one, Lucy. It is foolish for you to say both.

190 posted on 09/22/2006 8:14:21 PM PDT by Principled
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To: lucysmom
"Sometimes that's called telling the truth."

It might not be such a bad idea to practice what you preach. The BLS data linked to is from income tax data, not FairTax data so any "spending" there is what is going on now.

From the bill:

"... `Each qualified family shall be eligible to receive a sales tax rebate each month. The sales tax rebate shall be in an amount equal to the product of-- ...""

... and the definition of "rebate" in the dictionary I use is:

"... a return of a part of a payment ... "

So "rebate" and "entitlement" are different words and mean quite different things ... S/S is an entitlement; the prebate is not. Most people will note that you make certain to misuse words like a true demagogue.

192 posted on 09/23/2006 8:19:50 AM PDT by pigdog
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