[Principled]

The size of the prebate has nothing to do with taxes paid, goods and services purchased, or income earned. It is determined by family size, and that, alone.

And lucy, what family size, and that, alone will not spend up to the poverty line?

BLS DATA?

This data shows that the number of people who receive more in refunds than they pay will be negligible if not zero. BTW lucy, do you even know how many do now under the income tax and how much?

You don't or you wouldn't be continually bring this up.

This is a strong point for the nrst - less redistribution than now.

I will note here that on this thread alone you have said that the nrst is bad because it gives overpayment of refunds to some people. But when it is pointed out and shown with data that the nrst gives near zero out over tax payments made, you said the nrst is bad for poor people.

So is it bad for poor people because they don't get overpayments of refunds?

Or is it bad because poor people do get overpayments of refunds?!

You have to pick one, Lucy. It is foolish for you to say both.

[lucysmom]

And lucy, what family size, and that, alone will not spend up to the poverty line?

If in-kind contributions from charities is included as "spending" then the family is not taking cash out of its collective pocket to purchase. If our family is buying used clothing at garage sales, receives a used car for its use from a church, and receiving free food from a food bank, the family is not "spending" in a taxable sense.

But, perhaps I am misreading the information and misunderstanding you. If that is the case, I would appreciate it if you would explain how a family with and income of less than $5,000 manages expenditures of $20,517 annually. Please explain how purchasing used items under the FairTax, and receiving charitable gifts, translates as a refund on taxes paid.

I will note here that on this thread alone you have said that the nrst is bad because it gives overpayment of refunds to some people. But when it is pointed out and shown with data that the nrst gives near zero out over tax payments made, you said the nrst is bad for poor people.

Nope. I'm not saying that the FairTax is bad because it gives more as a prebate than the poor will pay in tax, I'm making the observation that when that is the case, it is not a refund for taxes paid. I am assuming, for sake of argument, that this all makes sense and I am just not getting it and for that reason, I am giving you the opportunity to clarify.

Why should that matter to you? Because I vote, am capable of writing letters to my Senators and Congressmen, and have the opportunity to influence other voters in conversation just like you do.