Can y'all do your pinger thing?
I swear I checked Vanity to post this! Could you move it over there?
IMO, one of the biggest problems with taxes is that most Americans are too dumbed down to understand them. Most Americans don't understand that government, by definition, have no money. The only money that government has is in the pockets of individual citizens.
Confiscatory and predatory taxing practices, such as those that exist in America today, simply exemplify the absurdity of the American tax system.
As long as the tax system maintains the status quo, the divide between the "haves" (Republicans who work and earn money) and the "have nots" (liberals who only want what Republicans have - except for the working part) will only grow deeper. As Congress continues buying base by shifting more and more of the tax burden onto the shoulders of those of us who work, the debate over tax reform grows only more rankorous and more vociferous. As long as we continue to allow Congress to expand the margins of those who don't pay taxes (yet share the "tax cuts") and shift more of that burden to us, this debate has no peaceful end in sight. Remember, this nation was founded on the basis of "No taxation without representation".
Without tax reform, the American past will become its prologue.
The anti-reformers try to make the reform threads so unpleasant that people choose not to participate in them (what does this predict about the real world?)I'm not sure I remember ever encountering an "anti-reformer" on Free Republic when it comes to taxes. Virtually everyone I've encounter would love to see tax reform.
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The anti-reformers try to make the reform threads so unpleasant that people choose not to participate in them (what does this predict about the real world?)Please. The most unpleasant person, by far, on these FairTax threads is pigdog and he's a FairTax supporter. Maybe you should be concerned with your own house before you start worrying about others.
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If it's not broken, don't fix it.
For a hundred years congress has been tinkering with the tax code. The income tax is perpetually broken. Instead of getting fixed it has become increasingly more broken. President Regan accomplish a major fix of a broken income tax that took seventy years to decline to such a broken state. It has taken just twenty years to undo Regan's fix and break the income tax far worse than before his fix.
It appears the only people capable of permanently fixing the way taxes are collected is the people, not politicians and bureaucrats. The FairTax grassroots movement is by The People for The People.
The forefront of debate in taxreform is indeed on Free Republic.
If anyone would like to be added to this ping list let me know.
John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all federal income, SS/Medicare payroll, and gift/estate taxes outright replacing them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.
H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.Refer for additional information:
Good points. I never realized how similar liberals and the anti reformers are in terms of tactics. Naysayers who never divulge a plan of their own all the while complaining about the lack of debate. Makes one wonder what the true agenda is.
Are you saying HR.25 has been modified?
Oh, do tell us where ...
If anyone want to know why there's no real debate about tax reform on FR, just check out this thread. If you don't agree with the FairTaxers, your motives are immediately brought into question. Nice way to debate, huh?
Well said indeed!
AMEN!
Are we going to have a tax system worthy of free people or will we continue to endure the communist inspired mess we currently have? THAT is the question.
All of your allegations have been shown to be incorrect before, but that doesn't seem to phase you. If the only thing you have is a non obscene photo that was up for less than 5 minutes and that was in response to a total personal attack by pigdog, then you are at the bottom of your rope.
This whole portion of your vanity is BS made up by you.
You don't remember what pigdog was suspended for, first for one day, and then for three days, but I remember and it wasn't for "complaining about it". Yet you have created an urban legend out of the whole exchange, basically saying that it is all the moderators fault, and not pigdog's. In my experience the moderators will only ban or suspend someone when there is justified cause.
Here's the response I sent pigdog shortly after the "incident" many months ago when pigdog was suspended for continuing his line of attacks.
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My graphic which was not pornographic and only a real child would take serious offense to was in response to your post #313:
pigdog: Robbie there are plenty of name I have YET to call you. Would you like to try some of them so you can see if they melt in your mouth (or elsewhere)?? so don't go getting all high and mighty, pigdog.
DEMAND what you want- I'm not going to apologize to you. I already asked to have the picture removed within a minute of posting it when I realized it was just continuing to trade insults with you and was beneath me to stoop to your low blows. You spew nothing but venom non-stop for months and you continue to make disparaging remarks about people and their motives just trying to provoke a reaction.
You threatened to continue upping the level of your insults and I went beyond what I would normally post in response. When I saw it on the thread I realized it was not funny and I did not want to be associated with it, so I immediately asked for it to be removed.
In the past three days you have posted graphics to me calling me a Troll, one of me as part of a flock of "wooly sheep" on a Georgia farm, several times one of a cat attacking a man's pierced tongue intimating it was my tongue, and one of a Baptist church with STFU on the sign in front. I have commented on your new skills in posting pictures. Since I am a grownup I can take your continuous abuse. You, on the other hand, are a hypocrite.
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Gee, I am glad you don't think this is inflammatory. BTW, it was the fairtaxers who LIED for over 5 YEARS about getting your full gross AND prices coming down. 5 years of name-calling and ridiculing anyone who dared questioned the ASSUMPTIONS of your paid for whores, I mean economists, only to later find out it wasn't true. You are such a pitiful hypocrite. You bitch and whine about the exact same stuff the pro-fairtaxer side does. The only question is when will the fairtaxers start presenting their case honestly.
You left out the tax cuts implemented during the Bush administration.
How dishonest of you.
Where is the battle for spending reform?