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Krauthammer: Making A Decision On Iran
Townhall.com ^ | 09/15/06 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 09/15/2006 11:10:51 AM PDT by Froufrou

Edited on 09/15/2006 11:20:12 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In his televised 9/11 address, President Bush said that we must not ``leave our children to face a Middle East overrun by terrorist states and radical dictators armed with nuclear weapons.'' There's only one such current candidate: Iran.

The next day, he responded thus (as reported by Rich Lowry and Kate O'Beirne of National Review) to a question on Iran: ``It's very important for the American people to see the president try to solve problems diplomatically before resorting to military force.''


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To: Axhandle
I don't share your optimistic view of the general public.

Nor do I.

However, oil producers and oil companies, have jumped the shark IMHO. The US economy is like a battleship--it takes a long time to get turned around.

Even if gas does make it back to $1.50, the average consumer will remember that it was above $3 for much of 2006. Future consumption and spending habits will factor this in.

Business planners will be factoring in this year's explosion in energy prices, too.

I'm no futurist, but planning set into motion at $3/gal is not likely to be cast aside with $1.50/gal gas.

61 posted on 09/15/2006 2:31:32 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: Froufrou

I reject the notion that attacking Iran would ruin the oil flow and the world economy. we could bomb the piss out of their side of the hormuz and all their military installations. maybe the first 7 days would be tough but we could bomb their military into the 7th century where it belongs.


62 posted on 09/15/2006 2:44:51 PM PDT by omega4179 (Lets call terrorism extremism, then it would go away.../s)
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To: kenavi

"I am so tight that my biggest need for oil is to lubricate myself so I don't squeak when I walk."

Bwahahaha! Me, too!


63 posted on 09/15/2006 3:01:40 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: omega4179

Makes sense to me.


64 posted on 09/15/2006 3:02:16 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: omega4179
...maybe the first 7 days would be tough ...

Three words: Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

65 posted on 09/15/2006 3:21:05 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: Froufrou
Krauthammer is setting up a bunch of phony strawmen. His conclusions are nonsense and imbue Iran with far more power and influence than it really has. For example:

The costs will be terrible:Economic. An attack on Iran will likely send oil prices overnight to $100 or even to $150. That will cause a worldwide recession perhaps as deep as the one triggered by the Iranian revolution of 1979.

Doubtful that such a spike would last very long. The Saudis have excess capacity and can make up the difference. Our strategic reserve can also provide some short term relief.

Iran might suspend its own 2.5 million barrels a day of oil exports, and might even be joined by Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, asserting primacy as the world's leading anti-imperialist. But even more effectively, Iran will shock the oil markets by closing the Strait of Hormuz through which 40 percent of the world's exports flow every day.

Iran's economy is already in bad shape. Suspending exports also means losing revenue, which would have serious domestic repercussions. It could destabilize the country. Any Iranian attempt to close the Strait of Hormuz would be met by overwhelming force the likes of which Iran and the Middle East have never experienced. Iran would experience tremendous destruction and more than likely would fail to close the strait.

The U.S. Navy will be forced to break the blockade. We will succeed but at considerable cost. And it will take time -- during which time the world economy will be in a deep spiral.

BS. The Iranian Navy would be wiped out in a matter of hours.

Military. Iran will activate its proxies in Iraq, most notably, Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army. Sadr is already wreaking havoc with sectarian attacks on Sunni civilians. Iran could order the Mahdi Army and its other agents within the police and armed forces to take up arms against the institutions of the central government itself, threatening the very anchor of the new Iraq. Many Mahdi will die, but they live to die. Many Iraqis and coalition soldiers are likely to die as well.

There is little love lost between the Iranians and Iraqis. They fought an 8 year war against one another, in which millions died. The Mahdi army would be commiting suicide.

Among the lesser military dangers, Iran might activate terrorist cells around the world, although without nuclear capability that threat is hardly strategic. It will also be very difficult to unleash its proxy Hezbollah, now chastened by the destruction it brought upon Lebanon in the latest round with Israel and deterred by the presence of Europeans in the south Lebanon buffer zone.

Let them stick their heads out and we will lop their heads off.

Diplomatic. There will be massive criticism of America from around the world. Much of it is to be discounted. The Muslim street will come out again for a few days, having replenished its supply of flammable American flags most recently exhausted during the cartoon riots. Their governments will express solidarity with a fellow Muslim state, but this will be entirely hypocritical. The Arabs are terrified about the rise of a nuclear Iran and would privately rejoice in its defanging.

BS. The Muslim street didn't come out when we invaded Iraq. Most of the Muslim world is Sunni. They have no great love for the Shi'a Iranians.

66 posted on 09/15/2006 4:32:49 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Night Hides Not
"Even if gas does make it back to $1.50, the average consumer will remember that it was above $3 for much of 2006. Future consumption and spending habits will factor this in."

I see too many people living off credit, well beyond their means. I do not believe most people are so far-sighted.

67 posted on 09/15/2006 5:16:39 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: Check_Your_Premises
Not of Iran, just their oil fields. THat is my WHOLE point.

And how do we decide who to sell this oil to?

And for how much?

Do we join OPEC?

The entire world would see this as a US theft of a sovereign nation's natural resources - if you remember the US lead multinational invasion of Iraq the first time around was because Iraq had invaded Kuwait and seized oil fields there.

In addition, such an occupation would not even solve he problem that was its "cause" in the first place: unless we invade the rest of Iran to dig out their nuclear program it would continue, even if the government in Tehran has to starve their population to do so.

68 posted on 09/15/2006 5:57:01 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: Froufrou
The price of neutralizing Iran's goal to attain Nuclear weapons will be very costly!! The whining leftists in this nation will go apoplectic and their brethren, Islamofascists everywhere, will follow the DBM's lead in vilifying the United States of America and, of course, George W Bush.

However the COST of doing nothing and allowing Iran nukes will, WITHOUT A DOUBT, lead to a first strike by Iran, with one or more of our cities being wiped off the face of the map and also the END of ISREAL.

The cost, in lives, treasure and economic chaos is virtually incalculable.

69 posted on 09/15/2006 6:13:27 PM PDT by PISANO
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To: kabar

"His conclusions are nonsense and imbue Iran with far more power and influence than it really has."

Could it be this is exactly as he designed the essay to read? For what reason, I can only speculate to be this: how to call an end to the jihad without wiping out every Muslim on the planet?


70 posted on 09/16/2006 6:18:04 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: PISANO

I believe that's the point Krauthammer was making, if not as succinctly as you have! ;o)


71 posted on 09/16/2006 6:19:12 AM PDT by Froufrou
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