What the enemy does isn't the point. What makes the enemy the enemy is his total disregard for law, order and humanity. What makes us better than the enemy is our respect for all three of those things. I'm not a great admirer of McCain, but I see where he's coming from. The aim of these swine is to make us abandon our values and fight in the sewers with them. They are prepared to die in order to do so.
They despise the fact that people can exist in a world without fear, because a world without fear is difficult for maniacs like the islamists to control. So they want to make us fear them. And judging by posts in this thread ('They are going to kill us all!!!!!') it sounds like we're handing them victory on a silver platter. They are using fear to make us abandon the only principles that make us greater than they.
Besides, we aren't dealing with Nazi Germany. We aren't dealing with Imperial Japan. We're dealing with, at most, a country with a GDP that's barely a 'third of Rumsfeld's defence budget' (George Will on Iran) and at least a few hormonal, sex-starved jihadists with a God complex. These people are not going to 'kill us all'. We have nothing to fear from these shiesters, because they cannot defeat our faith and decency with no amount of bombs uless we sacrifice it willingly.
The worry that the likes of McCain and myself have with the use of torture has nothing to do with being nice to the wee terrorist. It's about being sure that the federal government (you know, that establishment that Republicans used to be justifiably wary of) can't abuse it. That ten years down the line we don't have to worry about a Demcorat president rounding up anti-gay marriage protesters because they pose a threat to national security.
We don't need torture to beat these dick-heads. We just need patience, tenacity, and a realisation that these people don't amount to a hill of ants compared to what the US has conquered in the past. Fear? I fear nothing from these swine.
What make makes the enemy the enemy is he is the aggressor who attacked us. WE did not start this war. What tactics he uses are irrelevant to what MAKES him the Enemy. What matters is that we DEFEAT him with as few American lives lost as possible.
Anything the Government can do can be abused. This "logic" is merely the rationalizations of people who think if they JUST ignore this problem it will magically go away.
Based on THIS "logic" we should dismantle the FBI because the Government has abused those powers before. Same with the Border Patrol since someone MAY abuse their powers some day.
To play this "What if" game means you advocate the Government NEVER do ANYTHING because it might someday be abused! It nonsense's pseudo intellectual rationalization and nothing more.
Nothing in life is ever perfect. Demanding Perfection NOW is merely the intellectual cop out of people who want to DO nothing and are vainly thrashing around looking for an excuse to DO nothing.
It is nice feel good sloganeering and phsycobabble to demand we somehow have to live up to higher standards. Too bad the real world does not work like a conflict avoidance seminar. We need to worry about winning. The Blame American First crowd here is merely flail aground desperately for some way to avoid actually having to SUPPORT our efforts to win the war. If they had REAL concerns they could of brought them up to the White House behind the sences. This is cheap Political PR grandstanding and nothing more. This isn't at all about Principals. It about Senate Media whores seeking Junk Media face time.
Just another example of the usual Senate RINO excusing making and rationalization to find a way to avoid having to come out and ACTUALLY SUPPORT the President ONE time.
Unfortunately, your side NEVER bothers to define torture. SO any little third world thug can CLAIM he was tortured because some guard made hims stay up all night. Our enemies know this weakness. They train how to use it. We captured training manuals in Afghanistan telling how to use our own press against us.
Define Torture and we maybe have something to talk about. However the Surrender Now Democrat Lite Republicans NEVER do that. Instead it all happy talk and pseudo intellectual Blame America First sloganeering. Until the Surrender Now Clowns McCain/Warner/Gahrams accurately DEFINES their terms all this sloganeering from them is just is so much absurd noise.
Which moron talking head is spewing this garbage? I keep hearing this from the Neo Isolationist hide our head under the sand and ignore the problem and it will all just go away crowd. Totally irrelevant that they cannot "kill us all". All they have to be able to do is kill a significant number of us.
A series of strikes like 09-11 would so cripple our economy and cause such a political impossible to deflect counterreaction that it would virtually destroy our current form of Government. If you are upset by pathetically minor changes in US laws NOW, what do you think the reaction of average americans is going to be to a nuke going off in LA is going to be?
Hiding our heads under the sand hoping the problem will go away is NOT a viable solution. The viable solution is to kill enough of these bastards to force the rest to knock it off before they get to the point they can seriously hit us.
We have been lucky so far. The Weak in the Knees RINO solution is to assume we will continue being lucky. Sorry I don't like those odds.
As for the istorical references. Neither Nazi Germany nor Imperial Japan ever were capable of a significant attack on the US Homeland. The Terrorists all ready have hit it at least once. (09-11-01)
Wishing the problem would go away because you find the whole thing such an emotionally distressing interruption to your comfortable little life is a perfectly acceptable personal defense mechanisim. It is nonsense as Government policy.