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SPIEGEL INTERVIEW WITH ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI (Barf Alert
Der Spiegel ^
| September 12, 2006
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Posted on 09/13/2006 12:49:39 PM PDT by Kaslin
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I think it is needless to say that I have never trusted Brzezinski, who was the security adivise to the worst president of the 20th century
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posted on
09/13/2006 12:49:41 PM PDT
by
Kaslin
To: Kaslin
Yeah a mouthpiece for the failed polices of the major enabler of Islamic terrorism, Jimmy Carter, really has NO credibility speaking on this topic at all.
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posted on
09/13/2006 12:52:06 PM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
To: Kaslin
Z'biggy not only knew nothing, he suspected nothing. Niether did Cahtah.
To: Kaslin
Poor little Zbig ... the epitome of the old adage "when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Designer pestilences a la "12 Monkeys" but for real this time are a distinct possibility. Thecnology has certainly moved on but has Zbig? Remember, his formative years predated the PC. Things have changed a bit since then. And it doesn't even have to be terrorism. Imagine the researcher who engineers "the bacteria that will solve the world's oil spill problem." Of course, 10 years after the first use on a spill, OPEC wonders why production has dropped by 50% and continues to fall. No, Zbig had the MAD doctrine between two nations that valued life (at least their own life, that is) to keep things simple for him. But how does MAD work when your advesary embraces death?
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posted on
09/13/2006 12:56:49 PM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
(Katherine Harris for US Senate!)
To: MNJohnnie
And what's so ironic about this is that while Carter rightly gets much of the blame for the rise of Islam because of his failures in Iran, it Zbigniew Brzezinski who was the original architect for many of these policies. These same people who regularily blame Reagan for supporting the Mujahedin (and thus the creation of UBL) ignore that this policy had its genesis with Brzezinski...who even admits this.
From hanging the Shah out to dry to his Arc of Crisis...to even support for the "secular" Saddam over Iran in the Iraq/Iran War, Brzezinski was the leading proponent and originator for many of these policies. He was the architect for the use of supporting and arming so-called moderate Muslims against the USSR.
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posted on
09/13/2006 12:58:25 PM PDT
by
cwb
(Liberalism is the opiate of the *sses.)
To: cwb
The left will tell you he set Carter up. Ziggy was all about killing Ruskies. He was settling scores from the old country when he sicced the Islamist on the USSR.
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posted on
09/13/2006 1:00:06 PM PDT
by
kinghorse
(I calls them like I sees them)
To: Kaslin
When a Carter-ite wants to complain they go to a non-U.S. publication.
I wish they would just stay there after the interview.
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posted on
09/13/2006 1:12:17 PM PDT
by
WoodstockCat
(General Honore: "The storm gets a vote... We're not stuck on stupid.")
To: Kaslin
"The Big News" from Zbigniew Brzezinski
To: lizol; Vorthax; Polak z Polski; Grzegorz 246; Lukasz; JoAnka; warsaw44; anonymoussierra; Juliusz; ..
Brzezinski: That depends on your definition of victory. If we act intelligently and form the necessary coalitions, the appeal of terrorism may diminish and limit its capacity to find sympathizers or even would-be martyrs. Then it will probably gradually fade away. If, however, we envision victory as the equivalent of a Hitler shooting himself in the bunker, that will not happen. This is precisely why the whole analogy with the war is so misleading. It is not helpful for making the public understand that we are dealing with a long-term problem in a very volatile region, the solution of which depends on mobilizing moderate forces and isolating fanatics. Zbigniew Brzeziñski bump
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posted on
09/13/2006 1:18:43 PM PDT
by
A. Pole
("The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.")
To: Kaslin
I think you missed the best part..
SPIEGEL: Is fear, as at the thought of a nuclear weapon in the hands of terrorists, not something very natural?
Brzezinski: Certainly, such a notion is not entirely unrealistic, but on the other hand we are not confronted with the Soviet nuclear weapons arsenal. I do not wish to minimize the danger of a single or even multiple terrorist acts, but their scale is simply not comparable.
So in Brzezinsky's opinion, a single or even multiple terrorists acts with nuclear weapons is FUNDAMENTALLY different from what he faced during the Carter administration.
I think the impact on our country would be FUNDAMENTALLY identical!
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posted on
09/13/2006 1:21:49 PM PDT
by
marktuoni
(Dyslectics of Freerepublic, UNTIE!)
To: Kaslin
If Carter was bright enough to realize what a disaster his presidency was, he might have used the likes of Brzezinski as scapegoats. Instead, the peanut farmer and the dolts he surrounded himself with continue to reside in a surreal fog.
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posted on
09/13/2006 1:22:51 PM PDT
by
Spok
(He who bites the hand that feeds him will also lick the boot that kicks him.)
To: Kaslin
If Zbig had remained in power in the *80s the Wall would be intact and Eastern Europe enjoying the benefits of Socialism. The Democrats would be crowing how Zbig contained the Soviet Union and only saw Nicaragua and El Salvador, and Eastern Africa added to the Communist Bloc.
To: Kaslin
Maybe Pravda, the Chinese Daily and the Daily Commie can interview Zbiggy next.
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posted on
09/13/2006 1:56:55 PM PDT
by
EQAndyBuzz
("For seven million extra, we could have avoided a billion dollar WOT.")
To: Kaslin
Getting foreign policy advice from Zbigniew Brzezinski is kind of like getting safe driving tips from Lizzy Grubman.
To: kinghorse
Disagree. Zbiggy was all about "malaise" and we just have to hang on as long as we can while the Russians take over the world. Doom and Gloom a**ho*e that he is.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:22:02 PM PDT
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
To: Kaslin
I'll read the interview later and play the Zbig Drinking Game. Every time Zbig says "geopolitical", you take a drink. He loves that word.
To: Jimmy Valentine
Gosh they were a depressing defeatist bunch. I still think he was free lancing under Carter and letting his personal hate get in the way of logic.
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:33:20 PM PDT
by
kinghorse
(I calls them like I sees them)
To: NonValueAdded
No, Zbig had the MAD doctrine between two nations that valued lifeYup. The key assumption of assured destruction (i.e., the fact that we could, even after a Soviet first strike, inflict destruction on the USSR that would make Genghis Khan look like Gandhi, only less violent, and all in about 10-12 hours), was the idea that both sides were rational, and sought to maximize their gains and minimize their losses.
We didn't reckon with the idea of people who make Charlie Manson look sane having nukes.
To: Mannaggia l'America
Every time Zbig says "geopolitical", you take a drink.Liver transplants required for all participants after 2.5 hours of playing.
To: kinghorse
No question. I want evey one on this board old enough or not to remember that the major media (Time, Newsweek,etc) ANNOUNCED that our best days were over and that because of their absolutisim that the Russians could only be delayed, not defeated. Robert Samuelson declared that their "command" economy was more efficient, a prominent writer from TIME, Strobe Talbott who in addition was a Clintonoid Official (apparatchik) declared that Russia's economic and political system was so much more efficient and functional than ours that they would outlast us.
Everyone really needs to get down on their knees and thank the dear just Lord for Ronald Wilson Reagan (Dutch, Gipper, The Big Boss Man) who restored our self confidence and remionded us of just who we really are and restored us to our greatest sense of self as a country.
Sorry for the rant, but without him, (President Ronald Wilson Reagan) there is no telling where we would be now (at least I cannot bear to think of it).
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posted on
09/13/2006 2:57:47 PM PDT
by
Jimmy Valentine
(DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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