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Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue, Slams "Holy Wars"(Hooray for the Pope!)
Reuters News Service ^
| Sep 12, 2006
| Philip Pullella and Madeline Chambers
Posted on 09/12/2006 11:52:19 AM PDT by kellynla
REGENSBURG, Germany (Reuters) - Pope Benedict invited Muslims on Tuesday to join a dialogue of cultures based on the premise that the concept of an Islamic "holy war" is unreasonable and against God's nature.
In a major lecture at Regensburg University, where he taught theology between 1969 to 1977, Benedict said Christianity is tightly linked to reason and contrasted this view with those who believe in spreading their faith by the sword.
The 79-year-old Pontiff avoided making a direct criticism of Islam, packaging his comments in a highly complex academic lecture with references ranging from ancient Jewish and Greek thinking to Protestant theology and modern atheism.
In his lecture, the Pope quoted, among others, the 14th century Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologos who wrote that Mohammad had brought things "only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
The Pope, who used the terms "jihad" and "holy war" in his lecture, added in his own words: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".
Benedict several times quoted Emperor Manuel's argument that spreading the faith through violence is unreasonable and that acting without reason -- "logos" in the original Greek -- was against God's nature.
At the end of his lecture, the Pope again quoted Manuel and said: "It is to this great 'logos', to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures."
(Excerpt) Read more at today.reuters.com ...
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; catholic; catholicism; germany; iran; iraq; islam; israel; jihad; moralabsolutes; muslims; pope; terrorism; terrorists; wot
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To: pissant
Amen!!! I think he's stronger than JP II.....LOVE him!!
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posted on
09/12/2006 12:45:20 PM PDT
by
Suzy Quzy
("When Cabals Go Kabooms"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
To: No.6
"I'm not Catholic but I'm definitely for giving fellow Christians more of a break and not trying to deconstruct their words; we are on the same team after all."
Bump!
Kind of like Tony Snow at today's press conference trying to make the media understand that it is UNITY that will win the war.
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posted on
09/12/2006 12:46:32 PM PDT
by
sageb1
(This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
To: Gamecock
Now, now, he lost touch in his old days due to Parkinson's disease, and his time is now over anyway. Our new pontiff is well aware of the evil of Islam, and will be much more direct with them, and I am sure he must have cringed when he saw Pope JPII do that.
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posted on
09/12/2006 12:47:45 PM PDT
by
Theoden
(Fidei Defensor)
To: ArrogantBustard
Where is that from? I've never seen it before.
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posted on
09/12/2006 12:48:01 PM PDT
by
sageb1
(This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
To: sageb1
It's a detail from a frescoe painted in some moderately obscure, but very old Catholic Church in Italy. The whole frescoe depicts various unfortunates, whom the artist believed to have been damned, being subjected to various tortures in Hell. While amusing, such depiction is theologically problematic. The Church canonizes Saints, but does not proclaim that any specific person is actually in Hell (although she most definitely does teach that Hell is populated).
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posted on
09/12/2006 12:51:49 PM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: Torie
"At his university lecture, Benedict, a leading theologian who has always drawn clear lines between Roman Catholicism and other faiths, also appeared to criticize Protestant churches and contemporary Third World theologians for not stressing the link between faith and reason clearly enough."What does the Pope mean by the above? Protestant churches in any event cover the gamut.
I believe it's a reference to papal remarks covered on this thread, in which the Pope decries the dehellenization of reason and faith.
See my post #3 for an excerpt of his remarks, in which he discusses the Protestant Reformation specifically. I believe this is what your quote, above, is referring to.
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posted on
09/12/2006 12:54:23 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Colossians 2:6)
47
posted on
09/12/2006 12:57:32 PM PDT
by
ELS
(Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
To: kellynla; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; Coleus
Excellent news.
I hope Vatican security is prepared.
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posted on
09/12/2006 1:02:19 PM PDT
by
cpforlife.org
(A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
To: sageb1
Here's a slightly larger detail. The artist seems to have been one Giovanni da Modena, the painting is of the Last Judgement.
50
posted on
09/12/2006 1:03:24 PM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: ArrogantBustard; sageb1
It's a detail from a frescoe painted in some moderately obscure, but very old Catholic Church in Italy. If it is a detail of a fresco that muslims in Italy objected to a while ago (and have threatened/attempted to vandalize), then it is in the Cathedral of Bologna. The work is based on Dante's Inferno. What the muslims apparently didn't notice is that Dante also portrayed Popes and other prominent clerics in hell. It wasn't just Mohammed.
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posted on
09/12/2006 1:03:34 PM PDT
by
ELS
(Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
To: No.6
Maybe the Pope could get them to put the 'fatwah' out in Arabic first--and HOPEFULLY we could find someone to properly translate it.
Until Muslim clerics do this, do it publicly, and do it with sincerity--their words are meaningless, and they are COMPLICIT in terrorist actions--and should be judged as such.
To: Gamecock
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posted on
09/12/2006 1:11:07 PM PDT
by
ArrogantBustard
(Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
To: pissant
54
posted on
09/12/2006 1:11:27 PM PDT
by
onyx
(1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
To: wagglebee
Maybe not list material, but great. I hope there's a link to his entire lecture down the thread, I'd like to read it.
To: ArrogantBustard
Thanks for the thoughtful answer. I am Roman Catholic and understand the "problem," however right now I will content myself with being amused. :)
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posted on
09/12/2006 1:14:13 PM PDT
by
sageb1
(This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
To: ArrogantBustard
Ah! I do recognize it, after all. Makes one wonder a bit about da Modena. ;)
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posted on
09/12/2006 1:22:31 PM PDT
by
sageb1
(This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
To: ELS
"What the muslims apparently didn't notice is that Dante also portrayed Popes and other prominent clerics in hell."
Didn't notice or approved of and thus did not comment?
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posted on
09/12/2006 1:24:01 PM PDT
by
sageb1
(This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
To: kellynla
Watching the ABS mini series on 9-11 gave me reason to pause, reflect and see a difference in how Christians perceive God, and how Muslims perceive God. Christians pray that bad events will not happen and for protection from enemies. Muslims pray that bad events befall their enemies, especially by their own hand.
To: kellynla
Someone from the EU best assign this man some extra security...what the heck am I thinking...Mr Bush, let's get some Secret Service guys over to the Vatican.
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posted on
09/12/2006 1:34:14 PM PDT
by
GunnyHartman
(The DNC, misunderestimating Dubya's strategery since 2000.)
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