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Islamic Fascism
The North Carolina Conservative ^
| 8/26/2006
| Joel Raupe
Posted on 09/09/2006 11:10:24 PM PDT by Prospero
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First time, oddly uninformed though I am, I've heard anyone meditate on the fact that not only is there a well-established link between Arab Nationalism and Nazi Germany, but a reminder of the fact, which I remember from comparative religion classes, that "Islam" is considered to be a "nation," and Raupe makes some other good points too.
Call it what you will. We are at War with Islam.
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:10:25 PM PDT
by
Prospero
To: Prospero
You sir, have great clarity of vision!
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:16:43 PM PDT
by
sheik yerbouty
( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
To: Prospero
The idea of being at war with an idea or philosophy plays into the hands of the terrorists.
I think the president is right (he chooses his words very carefully!) to say we are at war with "Islamic Fascists" -- the people.
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:17:51 PM PDT
by
msnimje
(What part of-- "DEATH TO AMERICA" --do the Democrats not understand?)
To: msnimje
Raupe has written extensively about Mass Movements and why people join them, as a way of escaping personal responsibility. I think he made the role of the individual clear in this piece, and the lure of Collectives. I think in another article for another newspaper, he wrote about the so-called "Nurenburg Defense," something about how that "just following orders" defense won't hold water because people may become Nazis to get away from it, but they remain individuals who are responsible for their choices.
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:31:48 PM PDT
by
Prospero
(Ad Astra!)
To: Prospero
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:34:03 PM PDT
by
Fiddlstix
(Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
To: Prospero
Unlike others we have been at war with the Islamic Fascists are not particularly in a hurry. They will be move at their own chosen speed.
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posted on
09/09/2006 11:35:37 PM PDT
by
oyez
(The way to punish a providence is to allow it to be governed by philosophers. --Frederick the Great)
To: Fiddlstix; Prospero
To: Prospero
We are at war with Islam. President Bush does a disservice by calling our enemy Islamic terrorists, Islamic jihadists, Islamic Fascists, Islamic militants and so on. It's the same problem all our leaders have had for decades. They seek a politically correct means of defining are enemy and only cloud the issue. The enemy is Islam. Our enemy IS Islamic. President Bush is trying to separate copper from bronze and still call it bronze.
Also, the author needs to study further post WWII history. He states, "fascism died with Germanys surrender in May 1945". Spain under Generalissimo Franco would argue that. He survived Hitler and Mussolini by three decades.
Fascism and Islam cannot coexist anymore than communism and Islam can coexist, or democracy and Islam coexist. Islam places itself above any government model recognized. Under Islam all institutions including government are subordinate.
The enemy is Islam. Attempts to define the enemy beyond Islam only blurs the picture.
To: Prospero
A nation, without borders is an Empire. This is indeed what we are fighting as the Islamic "States" are a tribal institution and have yet to achieve Feudalism. Still stuck in the 7th century, and using 7th century warfare methods and tactics.
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posted on
09/10/2006 2:55:03 AM PDT
by
American in Israel
(A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
To: Prospero
Who first used the term Islamofascist or Islamic Fascist? Was the term coined here in FR?
To: backtothestreets; BigSkyFreeper
The enemy is Islam. Attempts to define the enemy beyond Islam only blurs the picture. I have reached your same conclusion. I'll have to revise my tagline.
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posted on
09/10/2006 3:04:47 AM PDT
by
onyx
(1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
To: American in Israel
Still stuck in the 7th century, and using 7th century warfare methods and tactics. How comforting. Pakistan has nukes. Iran is trying to acquire same. If Pakistan's government is toppled or falls into Islamic hands, they won't use 7th Century warfare and weaponry.
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posted on
09/10/2006 3:11:02 AM PDT
by
onyx
(1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
To: Prospero
To: rightgrafix
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posted on
09/10/2006 3:17:53 AM PDT
by
onyx
(1 Billion Muslims -- IF only 10% are radical, that's still 100 Million who want to kill us.)
To: backtothestreets
Attempts to define the enemy beyond Islam only blurs the picture. That is true. Obviously, Bush is only adding the "fascist" bit for public consumption and because to Americans it is unthinkable that anything that calls itself a religion could be utterly and entirely bad. But in many ways, fascism does not apply to Islam, which has as its ideal a theocratic, transnational government in which the religious and civil spheres are one and the same. This is not true of fascism, which, as the author himself said, is based on extreme nationalism. The author is right in that Islam is a "Mass Movement" in the sense he defines it, that is, something that takes away individual responsibility, fosters hatred of those on the outside, etc. But this is because Islam is essentially a cult, which differs from a religion in that it is focused on creating a closed, all-encompassing world that answers all the follower's questions, relieves him of all responsibilities for deciding on right and wrong, imposes its own set of behavioral rules that are arbitrary and have no ethical roots, and is controlled entirely by the leader or his appointed followers. Mohammed was an Arab, so Arabs have preeminence in this group (remember, being a cleric who is a descendant of Mohammed is ultra-super-special), but it cannot simply be defined as an Arab nationalist movement.
The Arab nations have always had a particular hatred of Jews, probably because of their proximity to Israel, or, before its existence, to territory that they knew to have belonged to the Jews. This anti-semitism pervades their scriptures and hence has been adopted by Muslims everywhere. But I think their main attraction to Hitler and his movement was their shared anti-semitism, because, as you say, fascism is no more a government the Muslims could apply than is democracy.
Oddly enough, I think Islam could function with a Communist government, because Communism has some of the same features (transnational, etc.) and also exercises a great deal of control over its citizens, who have virtually no individual existence. The left is very authoritarian and "mass think" oriented, and I think that's one of the reasons many leftists really admire Islam, which as "religions" go has a concept of an impersonal, arbitrary god who does not will or desire human freedom or any response, other than fear and submission. Also, of course, as dysfunctional Muslim economies have shown time and again, Mohammed and Marx would get along just fine with each other in the area of economic structure, too!
But as you say, no further definition is necessary: Islam in itself is the enemy.
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posted on
09/10/2006 3:19:59 AM PDT
by
livius
To: American in Israel
Still stuck in the 7th century, and using 7th century warfare methods and tactics.Somehow I doubt that.
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posted on
09/10/2006 3:20:38 AM PDT
by
BigSkyFreeper
(There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
To: backtothestreets
President Bush does a disservice by calling our enemy Islamic terrorists, Islamic jihadists, Islamic Fascists, Islamic militants and so on.There is not a thing wrong with any one of those terms. Each one describes Islam to a 'T'. Islam seeks conversion through threats, acts of terror, acts of aggression, global conquest, and global warfare.
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posted on
09/10/2006 3:27:41 AM PDT
by
BigSkyFreeper
(There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
To: samtheman
According to the great (all seeing) info god "Google" Many people think they have coined the term Islamofascist.
To: Prospero
No valid religion is about suicide and/or killing other people's children.
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posted on
09/10/2006 4:18:46 AM PDT
by
tkathy
(Einstein: Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.)
To: samtheman
Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) is credited with first having used the term "
Islamofascist."
Unless folks want to get into that "Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is a Muslum and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem is a Fascist, therefore all Muslims, all of Islam, is Fascist" kind of logic, that the term arose from the ether; a redundancy, like "Democrat Liberal."
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posted on
09/10/2006 5:07:26 AM PDT
by
Prospero
(Ad Astra!)
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