[Dane]

Those evil contractors, how dare they try to find willing workers to build shelter, or in tom tancredo's case, to build his basement home theater in Colorado, when he is in DC busy being on every 24/7 network cable show, bashing the people building his basement home theater in Colorado.

[rottndog]

From a previous thread, and a good preview of this one:

This is Dane:



What FReepers are doing to Dane on his own thread:



Keep popping up Dane, will keep slammin' you down!

[B Knotts]

"What's going to happen to our economy if those workers go home? It would mean the loss of about a quarter of the excavators, laborers, masons, concrete workers, landscapers, roofers, drywallers and insulators in the valley," he said.

What's going to happen is that companies that want to stay in business will simply have to pay more for their labor.

Supply and demand.

What we have now is kind of a government subsidy of contractors and landscapers.

[KC Burke]

This guy is really only speaking to the initial difficulty of the contractors in each local market. He is expressing the contractors' universal lament that government creates the problems and regualtions and then issues new laws and penalties to make businesses correct problems that government caused to a great degree.

If the borders were secure, this wouldn't be an issue.

I work in construction all over the country and there are many contractors that feel like this guy.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Dane, this thread is going like most of yours do:

OWNED!!

[Chuck Dent]

The simple fact is that short-term nominal rates ie wages, will increase. It's the longer-term balance sheet effects (increased taxes, overcrowded schools, closed medical facilities, etc) that are harder to project and only become apparent when it's almost too late.

Like someone living on credit cards, illegal immigration (in the form of cheap wages) has been popular everywhere it crops up until the bills start coming due. Hopefully, people have learned this time around that it's better to pay 25-50-100% more in labor costs rather than experience what many communities throughout the US are finally beginning to confront.

[steve-b]

We need to get control of the borders and stem the flood of illegal entry. That said, this guy does have a couple of legitimate gripes:

"We've been told (the database) is only 80 percent correct," Gould said.

If (for example) law-abiding citizens were being denied CCW permits because of errors in the background check database, and the government tried to shurg and say "well, it's only 80% accurate and you just have to deal with it), there would be a dozen 1000+-post flame threads on this forum.

Although Gould said his company checks people's documents as a condition of employment to make sure they are legal immigrants, it's a matter of simple math to realize that many of them are probably living in this country illegally.

This "simple math" argument is equivalent to declaring (for example) that because such-and-such a percentage of the male population commit rape, a large male gathering such as a Promise Keepers rally probably contains X number of rapists.

[Iscool]

Colorado's new immigration laws are starting to cause a stir among businessmen in the valley. For contractor Mark Gould one bill in particular could mean the loss of about a quarter of his workforce

So what...You built your business based on the labor of the criminal element...It's time to downsize and work legally...Even if it cuts into your profits...You're lucky you're not in jail...You would be if I had my way...

[Lurker]

Dingus,

This creep is just trying to protect his ill-gotten gains.

He should be jailed and sued out of business.

L

[muleskinner]

It's not just some contractor in Colorado. Farmers up and down the West Coast are have to let their fruit rot in the fields for lack of pickers. About 4% less illegals to do the stoop labor native Americans won't do. The farmers have advertised for local, nonlegal help, and get little or no response. The teenagers and college students who USED TO do this work are not doing it anymore. Even the idea of allowing the public to come and pick your own strawberries, peaches, etc., is not a viable solution anymore due to lawsuits. "I twisted my back on that farmers furrow" nonsense.

The Brasero program worked from WWII thru the late 60's. Temp. work permit. What'sa matter with that?

[freedumb2003]

Those evil contractors, how dare they try to find willing workers to build shelter, or in tom tancredo's case, to build his basement home theater in Colorado, when he is in DC busy being on every 24/7 network cable show, bashing the people building his basement home theater in Colorado.

How TERRIBLE the contractors will have to keep raising their wage until it meets a market price. How TERRIBLE is Capitalism. How TERRIBLE is it that we have to pay for the health, schooling and other things of illegal invaders.

Capitalism sucks in your world, I know.

[JoeGar]

landscapers ... would be hard put to find employees

Damn, you mean I have to cut my own grass???

[mysterio]

So he gets to hire illegals with no repercussions? Awesome.

I need to be able to legally rob the bank once a month to make up for the shortfalls in my budget. Is that ok too?