[Dane]

Those evil contractors, how dare they try to find willing workers to build shelter, or in tom tancredo's case, to build his basement home theater in Colorado, when he is in DC busy being on every 24/7 network cable show, bashing the people building his basement home theater in Colorado.

[taxed2death]

Mark Gould.

If I was a contractor competing with this bum for contracts, I'd sue him under RICO laws and put him out of business. Everyone should play by the same (legal) rules.

[shekkian]

"What's going to happen to our economy if those workers go home? It would mean the loss of about a quarter of the excavators, laborers, masons, concrete workers, landscapers, roofers, drywallers and insulators in the valley," he said.

Think of it this way: for those that remain there will be less competition and higher profits.

[dalereed]

Every contractor that hires one belongs in prison!!!!

[ElPatriota]

One: secure the border FIRST.

Two: A year or two from now, when that is done (this is the key), then we can start handling the situation inside the country.

Three: Of course the concern of business will be considered, as businesses affect the the entire country.

BUT, we they should not be the ONLY criteria or concern as far as illegal immigration goes.

My big concern is that borders must be *** SECURED FIRST ***. Then can choose LEGAL immigrants from any country we want to and create the rules that will accomodate different concerns. We all know, it's not smart to have a huge group from one country alone... That will lead to trouble ahead.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

"Kids are trained on computers, they don't want to dig a ditch," Gould said.

Gould is a fat frickin' liar. My sister's kids worked summer jobs in construction. They had a very hard time getting jobs because the contractors wanted to hire Mexicans that work for half the pay, are easily coerced because the contractor can threaten to call INS on them, and they have no recourse if the contractor screws them on pay.

I worked on a paving crew for two summers and did a stint at the local cheese factory while I was in college. Feed me another lie about jobs Americans won't do.

[P-40]

Currently the company has 10 openings, and only three people have applied.

Sounds like he should raise his pay rate.

[steel_resolve]

FOR THE LAST TIME, IF YOU BASE YOUR BUSINESS MODEL ON ILLEGAL LABOR, YOU DESERVE TO FAIL

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Do us a favor Dane and ban yourself from FR.

[rottndog]

At it again, huh Dane?

Haven't you learned your lesson yet?

Dane Has been owned on his own thread LOL

How not to host a thread (Dane gets royally flamed).

Dane Has been owned on his own thread LOL

How not to host a thread (Dane gets royally flamed).

How not to host a thread (Dane gets royally flamed).

[Kozak]

Yeah. And expect us to fund the health care costs for the busted up illegals, and pay for the schools for their kids, and the jails to house the ones who become criminally violent. All so they can pay these guys on the cheap, under the table and off the books. Get another song and dance Dane, the rest of us are tired of your standard act.

[Adder]

"For contractor Mark Gould one bill in particular could mean the loss of about a quarter of his workforce."

Ain't that too d**ned bad.

Hire legals. And, yeah, send the rest home to mommy Mehico or wherever.

Thats the whole point.

[dljordan]

"Those evil contractors, how dare they try to find willing workers to build shelter, or in tom tancredo's case, to build his basement home theater in Colorado, when he is in DC busy being on every 24/7 network cable show, bashing the people building his basement home theater in Colorado."

Your respect for the U.S. and it's laws is obviously not very high. I'm supposing that must be the culture wherever you hail from. These people are breaking the law but you obviously feel there should be a separate law for Hispanic invaders.

[gubamyster]

ping

[primeval patriot]

"The government owes me employees."

"I'm a bidness man, I'm entitled" added Gould.

[capitalist229]

This will have ZERO effect on the underground cash economy other than to make it bigger.

BUMP

[HuntsvilleTxVeteran]

I like my amnesty plan!
Please call them INVADERS and don't compare them to people who are legal aliens!
IF you aid and abet CRIMINALS, you are a criminal!

President Bush has been great on most things except for our border.
He has been great on the war on terrorists.
But on the border he is a gross failure.
He acted fast and correct on the 3,000+ people murdered at the world trade center.
He ignores the many rapes, murders and robberies which might be larger than the murders and money loss at the world trade center.
More Americans are abducted on the border of Mexico than in Iraq!

Start building the fence.
It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.

I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.

[conservativecorner]

Let me bring some facts to your cry baby fluff piece on the "poor contractors". Any contractor not filthy rich after this housing bubble should be checked into a mental institution for being as dumb as a damn brick:

Jobs Americans Won't Do?
Think again.

By Rich Lowry

A core element of the American creed has always been a belief in the dignity of labor—at least until now. Supporters of a guest-worker program for Mexican laborers say that "there are jobs that no Americans will do." This is an argument that is a step away from suggesting that there are jobs that Americans shouldn't do.
President George Bush, a strong supporter of the guest-worker program, has long said that "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande." We are supposed to believe, however, that the work ethic does stop there—it is only south of it that people can be found who are willing to work in construction, landscaping and agricultural jobs. So, without importing those people into our labor market, these jobs would go unfilled, disrupting the economy (and creating an epidemic of unkempt lawns in Southern California).

This is sheer nonsense. According to a new survey by the Pew Hispanic Center, illegals make up 24 percent of workers in agriculture, 17 percent in cleaning, 14 percent in construction, and 12 percent in food production. So 86 percent of construction workers, for instance, are either legal immigrants or Americans, despite the fact that this is one of the alleged categories of untouchable jobs.

Oddly, the people who warn that without millions of cheap, unskilled Mexican laborers, this country would face economic disaster are pro-business libertarians. They believe in the power of the market to handle anything—except a slightly tighter labor market for unskilled workers. But the free market would inevitably adjust, with higher wages or technological innovation.

Take agriculture. Phillip Martin, an economist at the University of California, Davis, has demolished the argument that a crackdown on illegals would ruin it, or be a hardship to consumers. Most farming—livestock, grains, etc.—doesn't heavily rely on hired workers. Only about 20 percent of the farm sector does, chiefly those areas involving fresh fruit and vegetables.

The average "consumer unit" in the U.S. spends $7 a week on fresh fruit and vegetables, less than is spent on alcohol, according to Martin. On a $1 head of lettuce, the farm worker gets about 6 or 7 cents, roughly 1/15th of the retail price. Even a big run-up in the cost of labor can't hit the consumer very hard.

Martin recalls that the end of the bracero guest-worker program in the mid-1960s caused a one-year 40 percent wage increase for the United Farm Workers Union. A similar wage increase for legal farm workers today would work out to about a 10-dollar-a-year increase in the average family's bill for fruit and vegetables. Another thing happened with the end of the bracero program: The processed-tomato industry, which was heavily dependent on guest workers and was supposed to be devastated by their absence, learned how to mechanize and became more productive.

So the market will manage with fewer illegal aliens. In agriculture, Martin speculates that will mean technological innovation in some sectors (peaches), and perhaps a shifting to production abroad in others (strawberries). There is indeed a niche for low-skill labor in America. The question is simply whether it should be filled by illegal or temporary Mexicans workers, or instead by legal immigrants and Americans, who can command slightly higher wages. The guest-worker lobby prefers the former option.

If this debate is presented clearly, there is little doubt what most conservatives—and the public—would prefer. In his second term, President Bush has become a master of the reverse-wedge issue—hot-button issues that divide his political base and get it to feast on itself with charges of sexism, xenophobia and racism. The first was Harriet Miers; then there was the Dubai ports deal; and now comes his guest-worker proposal, making for a trifecta of political self-immolation.

There is still time for Bush to make an escape from this latest budding political disaster, but it has to begin with the affirmation that there are no jobs Americans won't do.

[conservativecorner]

Here's another article to help you with the facts:

Seeing Today’s Immigrants Straight

[Centurion2000]

Those evil contractors, how dare they try to find willing workers to build shelter, or in tom tancredo's case, to build his basement home theater in Colorado, when he is in DC busy being on every 24/7 network cable show, bashing the people building his basement home theater in Colorado.

Unless you have some kind of proof that he is knowingly using a contractor using illegal aliens, maybe you should shut the hell up. In the meantime, any contractor using illegals and basing his wages to them on that should fail.

[conservativecorner]

More facts for ya Dane:

How Unskilled Immigrants Hurt Our Economy