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To: Dave S
"You do know whey there is a first ammendment to the Consitution dont you? It wasnt out of the kindnest of their hearts. They feared having any one religious group take over the state and force their beliefs on the others as had occured in England and the rest of Europe."

That's correct, but try to get this straight, it is a freedom of religion not "from" religion. This means we have all the rights you secularists have, and maybe more because we are the MAJORITY.

Addressing your earlier points that you used to try and prove an imposition of religion, you are absolutely 180 degrees wrong. Playboy, and other porn, all manner of debauchery too numerous to list in this post have been imposed on us. We started this country as one nation under God. You and people like Lunatic have imposed your moral degradation on us. Then when we try and protect the very values that this country was founded on, people like pull out the religious imposition screed in an attempt to embarrass us into shutting up. It worked for a while. From the 60's to the 90's Christians were bullied into accepting the "modern" view that we were old sticks in the mud because we believed sex outside the marriage was "wrong", that dissemination of porn was "wrong", that all excess (drugs, drinking, eating) was "wrong' ,and not the way our God taught us to live. Prayer was "removed" from school, and we are trying to return to a time where if a child had a relationship with God, maybe he would be less likely to shoot another child over a pair of sneakers. We are trying to return to a time in our country when maybe if a woman weren't told by the porn industry to jump into bed with multiple partners, we might not be killing babies by the millions every year.
So you go ahead and believe what your humanist buddies tell you, that there are no consequenses for your actions. But remember this, a free republic (no pun intended) must have a strong moral foundation or it will fall, and like it or not our foundation was based on Christian beliefs, and I don't know of another in the history of mankind that has ever been as strong and yet people like you an Lunatic take some kind of perverse joy in watching that foundation being chiseled away. I don't understand why even if you don't believe what we believe, why you must exhaust so much energy deriding, and ridiculing. Seems to me Christians are much more tolerant. If we meet someone that doesn't believe we don't call them stupid, or try to take away your rights to participate in the political process. If what we are doing is so bad, then you take the majority, build your masses, and pass whatever laws you can. Until then you just have to "tolerate" our Christian country.
By the way, I used to be just like you. I used to screech about how Christians were "sticking their nose" in my business. I came to realize they were just showing me something that I didn't want to see. I am so happy I saw that it was me with the problem, and all I can do is Pray that you to will see the truth that is right there in front of you. There is nothing, nothing that compares with a personal relationship with God. So much of my anger, and stress, and psychological weight, and baggage just disappeared when I dropped my pride and asked for help with the journey.
586 posted on 09/07/2006 5:42:52 PM PDT by rikkir (Focus, people, focus, we still have work to do in November!)
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To: rikkir
Playboy, and other porn, all manner of debauchery too numerous to list in this post have been imposed on us.

Really? Who forced you to read Playboy?

This means we have all the rights you secularists have, and maybe more because we are the MAJORITY.

And there you have it. The American Taliban rears its obnoxious head. BTW, Fundie Christians are NOT the majority in this country so stop trying to act like you are. The Republican party would never win an election if it was comprised solely of fundamental Christians.

587 posted on 09/07/2006 7:21:58 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: rikkir
BTW, I am not a secularlist, or atheist. I believe in a god, the details of my beliefs I do not wish to share. You impose your beliefs by declaring that you will pray for non-believers and that we "will see the truth." It is an unseemly passive-aggresive method of trying to spread your religion through guilt. Guilt has been the modus operandi of Christianity from the beginning. Thanks, but no. I never understood why people choose such a way to live their lives. As long as I don't hurt anyone, I live my life the way I want. My girlfriend sleeps over several nights a wekk and we have sex. Why should that EVER concern you, your Fundie Friend, or the government? I dread to think what Fundies would do if they ever had the non-filibuster power they crave so badly.
588 posted on 09/07/2006 7:49:07 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Man Law: You Poke It, You Own It)
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To: rikkir

Amen and may God continue to bless....


596 posted on 09/08/2006 4:25:23 PM PDT by bazbo
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