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The "running out of oil" myth, and the inside story on illegal immigration
Renew America ^ | September 4, 2006 | Wes Vernon

Posted on 09/05/2006 7:05:37 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist

Next time you stop at the pump and pay through-the-stratosphere prices to fill your car's tank, just ponder this: We are not — repeat, we are not running out of oil. There is no good reason you should be paying through the nose. There are only bad reasons for it. If you are also angry about illegal aliens pouring over the border, you should know that illegal immigration is the price we are paying to keep to keep gas prices from going even higher, maybe two or three times higher.

(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.us ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; blameenvirowackos; east; energy; eviromental; exploration; illegal; immigrantlist; kyoto; mexico; middle; myths; oil; politics; propaganda; reserves; solutions; supply; terrorists; wackos
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To: seasoned traditionalist

Oh sheesh, high oil prices is the immigrants fault? What about the mostly white bread envirowhackos, they are the ones for the cause of high gas prices.


21 posted on 09/05/2006 7:38:03 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: seasoned traditionalist
The "Deep Hot Biospere" as a potential source is irrelevant because, even if it does exist, it does not refill depleted pools at a rate needed to be beneficial and there is no technology needed to drill into the deep-hot.

As for Mexico's potential, that is largly dependent on foreign oil companies(hopefully US) developing that potential because Mexico doesn't have the technology or capital to do it.

As for this book, it is just another stoooopid attempt to weave a conspiracy theory so Corsi can sell books and Craig Smith can sell gold to the kooks.

22 posted on 09/05/2006 7:38:58 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Straight Vermonter
So Mexico sells to someone else and we buy the oil the other buyer would have bought. Oil is oil. It is a fungible commodity.

It's amazing the economic ignorance by some on FR(not you SV).

23 posted on 09/05/2006 7:40:32 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Are you sure about that last part?

From: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1695726/posts

The Journal said Chevron and Devon officials estimate that recent discoveries in the Gulf of Mexico's lower-tertiary formations hold up to 15 billion barrels' worth of oil and gas reserves, a total that would boost the nation's current reserves by 50 percent.

24 posted on 09/05/2006 7:40:43 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: oh8eleven

Where were you in the 70's? Gas was never $3.oo or even $2.oo per gallon. At least not in Texas.


25 posted on 09/05/2006 7:41:02 AM PDT by Msgt USMC
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To: frogjerk

That is tremendous. Thanks for the heads up!


26 posted on 09/05/2006 7:41:54 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Msgt USMC
Where were you in the 70's? Gas was never $3.oo or even $2.oo per gallon. At least not in Texas.

The poster was talking about inflation adjusted prices. IIRC, 1981 still holds the record as the year of the highest gasoline prices.

27 posted on 09/05/2006 7:43:09 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Ben Ficklin
The "Deep Hot Biospere" as a potential source is irrelevant because, even if it does exist, it does not refill depleted pools at a rate needed to be beneficial and there is no technology needed to drill into the deep-hot.

Agreed the general thrust of this statement, but there is another possible value in Gold's perspecive on the genesis of oil from primordial sources, and that is that we might gain some insigts as to where to look. This might very well be marginal, because oil trapping formations would work the same regardless of whether the oil is of geological origin or biobenic origin, but still there might be a discovery or two in there.

28 posted on 09/05/2006 7:45:34 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: seasoned traditionalist

Check this out:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060905/major_oil_discovery.html?.v=10

New oil find in Gulf of Mexico could boost U.S. reserves by 50%!


29 posted on 09/05/2006 7:52:20 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: Msgt USMC
Msgt USMC
Since May 22, 2006

Welcome aboard and Semper Fi ...

You're right, the price per gallon wasn't as high in actual dollar values. But "back in the day" the price escalated to five, six or even ten times (IIRC) what it had been, and as percentage of minimum wage, take home pay, home budgets, etc., it was much higher than what we see today.
30 posted on 09/05/2006 7:53:31 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
According to the inflation calculator, $2.85/gal would be $.76/gal in 1975. I forget, what was the price of gas then?

31 posted on 09/05/2006 7:54:22 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

they ought to mark this one political incest alert....


32 posted on 09/05/2006 7:56:38 AM PDT by PDR
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To: oh8eleven
Next time you stop at the pump and pay trough-the-stratosphere prices

BS. Gas prices are high, but nothing compared to what they were in the 70s.

Really? I don't know how old you are, but I can remember "vividly" the jump in prices (DOUBLING) in the early 70's (as I had just got out of an 8 year enlistment in AF) and had started working in the Insurance Business, which I ended up getting out of because gas prices were killing me.

I also remember paying as little as 18 cents a gallon when I started driving in 1959.

Okay, I know what you (and others) will suggest as to the value of a dollar today, in 1970's terms.

Thus, read on McDuff!!!

http://www.1970sflashback.com/1976/Economy.asp

Category

Economy / Prices

1976 Economy / Prices

Economy

President: Gerald R. Ford

Vice President: Nelson A. Rockefeller

Population: 218,035,164

Life expectancy: 72.9 years

Federal spending: $371.79 billion

Federal debt: $629.0 billion

Inflation: 8.7%

Consumer Price Index: 56.9 Unemployment: 8.5%

Prices

Cost of a new home: $48,000.00

Median Household Income: $12,686.00

Cost of a first-class stamp: $0.13

Cost of a gallon of regular gas: $0.59

Cost of a dozen eggs: $0.84

Cost of a gallon of Milk: $1.65

Allowance for inflation

The allowance of $0.59 you received in 1976 would be worth $1.99 today.

http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/allowance/allowance_101.html?step=calced&templName=allowance.html&resultsmode=3&allowance=.59&year=1976

Thus, I don't know WHERE you are buying your gas, but please let us ALL know as there are a few of us out here, who are paying just a mite over $1.99 a gallon.

33 posted on 09/05/2006 8:03:48 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: William Terrell
Sorry, I can't even remember what I had for breakfast. I'm sure a Google search will find it.
There were two huge spikes in the 70s too, not just one ('75 and '79?).
34 posted on 09/05/2006 8:04:38 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

Bogus argument in this article.

Gas costs what is costs because consumers are willing to pay that price. The argument that gas prices are high due to some supply problem is not valid. Has anyone seen widespread "We Have No Gas" signs in front of filling stations?

The number of illegal aliens in this country has little to do with the price of gas. It has a lot more to do with the amount of spine in the backs of our politicians.


35 posted on 09/05/2006 8:07:09 AM PDT by kidd
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To: seasoned traditionalist
The allowance of $0.59 you received in 1976 would be worth $1.99 today.
And at $3/gal today that's a 33% increase. A 33% increase in the price you supplied would put gas at about $0.79.
I remember it being a lot more than that. Of course I was paying NY State taxes too.
36 posted on 09/05/2006 8:13:56 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: seasoned traditionalist

You may be correct, but I do not think that we should sell our country/culture down the river by allowing illegals in exchange for oil.


37 posted on 09/05/2006 8:14:08 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: sauropod

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38 posted on 09/05/2006 8:14:22 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: seasoned traditionalist
The allowance of $0.59 you received in 1976 would be worth $1.99 today.

The only way these numbers work out is by assuming an average inflation rate of 4.14% from '76 to '06, compounded annually.

A quick look at your own post give the inflation in '76 at 8.7%. Inflation during the Carter presidency was double digit, and even during the Reagan administration generally exceeded 5%.

With an average inflation rate of just 6% the price of gasoline would be $3.39.

39 posted on 09/05/2006 8:24:33 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: richardtavor

In reality we are not "slaves to oil". Find me an energy source that can get my family of four from Austin to Dallas in 3 hours in relative comfort for $20, and I might consider changing. Right now there is none. Its by far the cheapest/safest/most convienent energy source we have.

Until that dynamic changes we will continue to use oil. And frankly I do not have a problem with that.


40 posted on 09/05/2006 8:47:08 AM PDT by thepainster
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