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Couples Cull Embryos to Halt Heritage of Cancer
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| 09.03.06
| AMY HARMON
Posted on 09/03/2006 1:55:46 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: linda_22003
1) Prayer, 2) voting for those who oppose the system, or not voting at all, 3) airing my views as often as I can to whomever I can
To: The Cuban
That's fine. Although I certainly haven't heard any politician come out against IVF; it's not good PR to look like you're against women who WANT to become mothers.
To: orionblamblam
I see...you weren't quoting someone...
you were exaggerating their position, when you wrote
And then we can get rid of chemotherapy and glasses, too
343
posted on
09/05/2006 5:08:20 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: jas3
For the same reason that some people argue that a fertilized human egg deserves the same moral and legal protection as an adult. I see. I didn't realize where you were coming from.
I know only little about the issue of the sacredness of plant life. I had thought our civilization, especially our scientists, had advanced beyond thinking trees were sacred and I thought Christianity helped bring about that advancement.
I vaguely recall the Druids and Germanic tribes held trees in special regard.
St. Boniface
To show the heathens how utterly powerless were the gods in whom they placed their confidence, Boniface felled the oak sacred to the thunder-god Thor, at Geismar, near Fritzlar. He had a chapel built out of the wood and dedicated it to the prince of the Apostles. The heathens were astonished that no thunderbolt from the hand of Thor destroyed the offender, and many were converted. The fall of this oak marked the fall of heathenism.
Christianity can't be all bad if it helped end infanticide and tree worship.
344
posted on
09/05/2006 5:27:25 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: jas3
Actually it is quite unlikely that any acorn will become an oak tree. Odds are significantly increased, if the acorn has germinated, like a blastosphere has.
345
posted on
09/05/2006 5:30:46 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: jas3
he blastospheres that are the subject of the article atop this post have divided thrice. Show me an acorn that has been through only three cell divisions, and then attempt to sell it as a TREE.Your acorn comparison didn't work. Got any better comparisons?
346
posted on
09/05/2006 5:36:04 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: jas3
Here's an alternative way to look at it. There is a blueprint of a building on a table in your yard. Someone's cigarette ignites the blueprint. The police arrest the smoker for arson for the destruction of the building. I know you value human life. Why do your comparisons seem to involve lower forms of life and inanimate objects?
347
posted on
09/05/2006 5:51:35 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: jas3
It is a big stretch to suggest that a blastosphere "contains" a small child. It is proper to suggest that it might develop into a child, but there is no miniature child inside the blastosphere, so your analogy of an actual child inside a building is not apt. I like my analogy. At least it involves humans.
348
posted on
09/05/2006 5:55:29 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: syriacus
> you were exaggerating their position
Was I? Is it really so far to extrapolate when someone wants to get rid of both experimental *and* well established medical procedures because those procedures are "playing God" to assume that no medical procedure is safe from their wrath?
*All* medicine is "playing God."
349
posted on
09/05/2006 6:27:10 AM PDT
by
orionblamblam
(I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
To: orionblamblam
Each medical procedure deserves its own evaluation.
350
posted on
09/05/2006 6:31:10 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: orionblamblam
Is it really so far to extrapolate when someone wants to get rid of both experimental *and* well established medical procedures because those procedures are "playing God" to assume that no medical procedure is safe from their wrath? Gee. I don't jump to the conclusion that you think all medical procedures are ethically acceptable.
Can't you cut the anti-ESCR folks a little slack? Give them some credit.
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posted on
09/05/2006 6:37:21 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: orionblamblam
No Mr Luddite. Embryo's are viable human organisms, dandruff is dandruff. See if you can figure out the difference but stay away from your Alchemy 101 text book.
To: orionblamblam
Here's a hint: Dandruff is dead skin cells. Viable means capable of living. Embryo's are alive and capable of living.
Embryo's are viable, dandruff is not viable. Pb can not be transmutated to Au by chemical processes. Similarly dead cells can not be reanimated into live cells through natural processes. Entiendes Professor Alchemist??
To: syriacus
For the same reason that some people argue that a fertilized human egg deserves the same moral and legal protection as an adult.
I see. I didn't realize where you were coming from. I know only little about the issue of the sacredness of plant life. I had thought our civilization, especially our scientists, had advanced beyond thinking trees were sacred and I thought Christianity helped bring about that advancement.
And you still do not realize where I'm coming from if you think that I am arguing that trees are sacred or that acorns = trees or that blastospheres = humans.
I vaguely recall the Druids and Germanic tribes held trees in special regard.
St. Boniface
To show the heathens how utterly powerless were the gods in whom they placed their confidence, Boniface felled the oak sacred to the thunder-god Thor, at Geismar, near Fritzlar. He had a chapel built out of the wood and dedicated it to the prince of the Apostles. The heathens were astonished that no thunderbolt from the hand of Thor destroyed the offender, and many were converted. The fall of this oak marked the fall of heathenism.
If the fall of this oak tree marked the fall of heathenism, it only fell for a short time, because heathenism appears to be doing very well today.
Christianity can't be all bad if it helped end infanticide and tree worship.
Did you mistake my point to be that Christianity is all bad?
jas3
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posted on
09/05/2006 7:05:31 AM PDT
by
jas3
To: syriacus
Actually it is quite unlikely that any acorn will become an oak tree.
Odds are significantly increased, if the acorn has germinated, like a blastosphere has.
The odds may be above non-zero, but they are not high enough to equate an acorn that has been through three cell divisions with an oak tree.
jas3
355
posted on
09/05/2006 7:06:48 AM PDT
by
jas3
To: jas3
The odds may be above non-zero, Yep!!
356
posted on
09/05/2006 7:08:35 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: syriacus
he blastospheres that are the subject of the article atop this post have divided thrice. Show me an acorn that has been through only three cell divisions, and then attempt to sell it as a TREE.
Your acorn comparison didn't work. Got any better comparisons?
Why did it not work? How is calling an acorn that has been through three cell divisions a TREE different from calling a blastosphere a human?
jas3
357
posted on
09/05/2006 7:08:42 AM PDT
by
jas3
To: jas3
Why did it not work? How is calling an acorn that has been through three cell divisions a TREE different from calling a blastosphere a human?An acorn that has undergone three cell divisions is a tree at that stage of the tree's continuum. When you were three cell divisions old were you a kangaroo or an ostrich?
To: jas3
Did you mistake my point to be that Christianity is all bad? No.
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posted on
09/05/2006 7:11:18 AM PDT
by
syriacus
(Why wasn't each home in New Orleans required to have an inflatable life boat?)
To: jwalsh07
Embryo's are viable human organisms
That is not true. Not even a majority of embryos are viable.
jas3
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posted on
09/05/2006 7:12:42 AM PDT
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jas3
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