The Conservative Case for Rudy Giuliani in 2008

Race 4 2008 ^ | August 31, 2006 | Dave G

[montag813]

Bush walked hand and hand through the daisies with the Saudi Prince, and has called Islam the "religion of peace" so many times it induces vomiting.

Rudy had Yasser Arafat dragged out of a posh U.N. Lincoln Center gala by two beat cops, to the harsh protest of the Clinton Admin. Rudy also ripped up a $10 million Saudi check after the donor criticized U.S. foreign policy.

Giuliani already starts with a huge advantage over the current President in this voter's mind. I want a leader who understands and has contempt for Arabs, and doesn't have sickening familial ties with them

[George W. Bush]

Wombat101: And as for P, I guess when I come around to his house, heave a brick through his window, p*ss on his front lawn, club him to death with a golf club, violate his wife and burn his house down (just after I kick his dog in the nuts),I can simply walk into the courthouse and explain my actions away with his patented "Because I want to" defense of personal justification, assert that all those silly laws passed by constitutional process don't apply to me, and leave a free man (not that I would do it, but you get the idea).

Peisistratus: Frankly, I've seen your type. They're called "hoplophobes". You fear what you would do with a gun and project that on others.

Funny how they always seem to be the ones fantasizing about violence when they can't intimidate or browbeat people into agreeing with them. Then they whine that no one wants a fair debate with them.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I have been all over the country, in the army (Ft. Benning, Ft. Lewis, Ft. Campbell, Ft. Ord, Ft. Hunter-Ligget) and have visited New York several times... hey, I am not interested in going back...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Rudy already ran a city larger then a lot of states.

A city with a big hole in the middle of it, which, if we had the cooperation of big city mayors to enforce our immigration laws... YOU GET THE PICTURE...

Illegal immigration??? THAT DOG DON'T HUNT!

[Wombat101]

"It would appear to me that it would be irresponsible for you to have a gun. Thank you for choosing not to have one."

I own four. I just don't see the point of owning one for the sake of owning one, for ornamental value or to whisper sweet nothing's to on them lonely winter nights, is somehow a valid argument against gun control.

[Old_Mil]

Two of the most interesting things that have to light as a result of this thread:

(1) Despite living in a free country, some conservatives apparently believe that they actually have to vote for someone.

(2) Given the longevity of this mislabeled vanity and the framing of the most recent poll, there is an effort to position the most liberal of all potential Republican candidates - Rudy - as a legitimate contender in 2008.

...wonder why that is.

[Wombat101]

Ummm, you missed the part where the man said he should be able to do anything he wants, despite the law, if he feels like it.

The hypothetical I set up for him was a practical demonstration of just how stupid that premise was. That is he could arbitarily abrogate the law if he feels like it and expects to get away with it, why shouldn't someone with more sinister intent be able to do the same? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Somehow, he feels that he's justified in this belief (that he's the final arbitor of what is and isn't legal), but that such distinction should only be reserved for him (predicated on the justification "because I want to"), and by extention, anyone he wishes to grace with a similar power.

[Wombat101]

As for the hoplophobe comment, that hardly merits a response.

In it's literal translation, it means "fear of the shield" (from hoplos, the shield carried by a Greek soldier, i.e. Hoplite"). However, I get the impression that what it's being construed to mean, is one who fears a soldier, or more accurately, the implement of military force (i.e. a weapon).

Funny, but I don't remember any fear of weapons when I served in the Naval reserve (as an aviation ordnanceman, no less!), nor do I remember fearing the three generations of Wombats who were all Marines before me. In that regard, what do I have to fear from a man who owns a firearm (solely to prove an obscure point!) and who insists he will not use it? Is he trying to imply that, somehow, while in possession of that firearm he has no intention of using that he's the defender of my rights?

Laughable.

[JCEccles]

I don't believe you.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Rudy had Yasser Arafat dragged out of a posh U.N. Lincoln Center gala...

But left him to roam freely at large in the city...

No day care with milk and cookies?

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I want a leader...

I want a PRESIDENT...

Don Rumsfeld...

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I want a leader who understands and has contempt for Arabs,

I don't want a racist. I want someone who will destroy the Islamic religion, see it for what it is and deal with the leftist Jackals in the media... Rumsfeld is the best guy to do that...

[montag813]

I don't want a racist.

Arabs are not a "race".

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Arabs are an ethnicity... and like I said... I don't want a racist...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I also want someone who has Judaic and Christian sympathies and contempt for the Islamic religion...

Giuliani is by no means Christian friendly at all...

[MaineVoter2002]

I like Newt too. But dont know much about his stance on Iraq and the War On Islamofascists.

Hoping he's not a Buchannon on those 2 issues. We cant afford a PC president on this war and we need someone who will deal with the border issue and the illegals already here.

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that one of Newt's weaknesses is his stance on illegals (not that Giuliani is any different on the issue). I want to know more about Newt's foreign policy stances and borders.

I do like what I've heard from Newt.

Maybe a Newt/Giuliani ticket?

[MaineVoter2002]

Giuliani is by no means Christian friendly at all

Didn't he try to ban the poop on the virgin mary art exihibition at a museum in NYC?

I think he lost that battle. Where were the Christians at that time? Playing politics? I dont remember seeing them stand behind Rudy. Maybe it's the other way around and Christians have not been friendly to Giuliani and his qwest to keep the dung off Mary???

[JHBowden]

What put me in the President Giuliani camp this primary season is not only his 100% support for what Bush is doing, but an answer Giuliani gave to a question about politicizing the war. Giuliani's answer was that it is our right as Republicans to politicize the war, since we have the right to make our case.

I've never seen someone that upfront about the threat we face, but then again, I wasn't in NYC during 911 either.

Reagan, who was born in 1911, didn't become a Republican until the 1960s, so I'm willing to cut Giuliani some slack on social issues. Winning politically often has to do with personality; the politics involves wheeling and dealing in anycase, and it is our responsibility to keep the Senate and House in addition to the executive branch.

The bottom line: We really can't afford to sit back and let the Islamofascists spike a nuke over the net at this point in history. Hillary, Kerry, Gore (whoever the Dem nominee is) and the UN will not protect us.

If the Dems win in 2008, we all lose.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

The symbolic has nothing to do with the ISSUES...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

The symbolic has nothing to do with the ISSUES...

It is just like Rush says... SYMBOLISM OVER SUBSTANCE...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I've never seen someone that upfront about the threat we face...

You don't know who Donald Rumsfeld is? There is a man infinitely more qualified to WIN a war...

[JHBowden]

Point taken, but Rumsfeld isn't running in 2008.