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To: M. Espinola; Kaslin
I really hope you guys are not going to state the Germans did not start World War II in Europe in 1939?

No, but Germans never gave Hitler a majority of votes in a free election. And he abandoned the constitution by a parliament vote, saying that the government and not the parliament may make laws.

And btw, not only Germans expected to win, each nation never thought of the idea to lose. And actually, before the US joined the war on the entente´s side, it looked really bad for them.

Germans didn´t learn the lesson from WW1"

What was the lesson? The treaty of Versailles was unjust, and led to the hatred against the West in Germany. One can say that after WW2, the Germans AND the allies learned their lesson - they chose to integrate the defeated in the western community (if only to fight/stop the Soviets).

43 posted on 09/03/2006 12:54:46 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

"The treaty of Versailles was unjust, and led to the hatred against the West in Germany."

You can keep repeating this, but you won't convince anyone who has ever bothered to study the subject.

Maybe you should read up on the treaty the German imposed upon the defeated Russians just a couple of years before:

Treaty of Brest-Litovsk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brest-Litovsk

It makes the Versailles Treaty look like a love note.

Moreover, the Versailles Treaty was immediately and constantly ameliorated -- until by the 1920s the US was pumping in massive amounts of foreign aid.

And as to the larger point of German militarism, WWI was at the time only the latest in a near constant succession of Germany's wars motivated by their desire to gain hegemony in on the Continent.

Read a book, why don't you?


46 posted on 09/03/2006 10:47:15 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Michael81Dus
"The treaty of Versailles was unjust.."

"It was my dream, and probably the dream of every one of us, to bring about a revision of the Versailles Treaty by peaceful means, which was provided for in that very treaty."

Hans Frank

Should the Allies have allowed Germany, the Hapsburg Empire and the Ottomans Muslim empire to retain their overseas colonies?

Should the Allies have simply allowed the Germans & other Central Powers to sign the surrender documents without any penalties what-so-ever?

Maybe the Allied forces could have rewarded Germany for her usage of poison gas, after all it was only practice for the ovens of the Shoah....the SS state's, Murder Inc.

The German army was the first to give serious study to the development of chemical weapons and the first to use it on a large scale.

Casualties From Gas - The Numbers

Country Total Casualties Death
Austria-Hungary 100,000 3,000
British Empire 188,706 8,109
France 190,000 8,000
Germany 200,000 9,000
Italy 60,000 4,627
Russia 419,340 56,000
USA 72,807 1,462
Others 10,000 1,000

Austrian riflemen on the march in Poland WWI

Twenty years later, Germans invading Poland.

,,Der große deutsche Feldzug gegen Polen’’ (The Great German Battle Against Poland)

"A thousand years will pass and the guilt of Germany will not be erased."

Hans Frank

In the long run is a united Germany something the world needs to be concerned with?

50 posted on 09/04/2006 1:38:38 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not free)
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