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To: Kaylee Frye

Please understand that this is in no way a criticism of you, but I think the entire "I wouldn't do it, but I also wouldn't try to stop somebody else from doing it" attitude is bullsh*t. As you said, you eventually came to see that it was murder and it was wrong. However, it was ALWAYS murder. Many have succumbed to the moral relativism/libertarian nonsense that "it's none of my business what somebody else does." However, if you saw somebody aiming a gun at somebody else and they were about to kill them, to pretend it's none of your business is morally wrong.


21 posted on 09/01/2006 10:07:27 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Ok, I totally agree, which would be why I completely changed my opinion... Luckily I was a stupid teenager and never did anything to aid anyone in their quest for murder. Now I know better. I'm not saying it wasn't always murder, I totally agree. I'm relating my own experience of being misled as a child and growing up and facing reality as an adult.

I agree with the author's premise that many people become pro-life when they are faced with having to actually think about what abortion is. I think many folks adopt a "None of my business" attitude because they don't want to actually think about abortion. I can say that at the time, I thought it was a wrong thing to do, but I didn't think it was murder. Clearly, if I had thought it was murder I would not have had the "it's not my business" attitude!

Actually, I must say it is fascinating being a former Liberal. It's an out-of-body experience to look back on what I was like back then. I don't even recognize the me that was most of the time. I do remember being angry, depressed, unhappy. I always felt persecuted and down-trodden and I had so much hate in my heart. I look back on the me that was and use that person to explain the Liberal ideology to other conservatives sometimes. And I use it to try and understand (or at least predict) my folks when I talk to them.

26 posted on 09/01/2006 10:28:02 AM PDT by Kaylee Frye
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To: wagglebee
the moral relativism/libertarian nonsense that "it's none of my business what somebody else does."

It is despicable to lump libertarians into this in order to further your obsession against freedom loving people.

I am a pro life libertarian and there are millions of us. It's clear that you are a moral relativist, willing to purposely bear false witness to enjoy the cheap shot.

27 posted on 09/01/2006 10:32:26 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: wagglebee; Protagoras
However, it was ALWAYS murder. Many have succumbed to the moral relativism/libertarian nonsense that "it's none of my business what somebody else does." However, if you saw somebody aiming a gun at somebody else and they were about to kill them, to pretend it's none of your business is morally wrong.

Nice try. I have yet to meet a Libertarian that defends the shooting of another on the grounds that it's "none of my business". In fact, just the opposite. So, in your attempt to make a point, you distort the truth. It is true that some(/most) Libertarians hold a pro-choice position. But it's also true that some don't. The latter you have turned a blind eye to.

I am a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party and I am Pro-Life. I can be both because I believe that life starts at conception. For that reason, I believe that an abortion is an assault on the life of another human being. Such acts of aggression I am vehemently against. More to the point, I believe that defending one man from the aggression of another falls squarely within the realm of "my business." That said man has not yet traversed a birth canal is irrelevant.

47 posted on 09/01/2006 12:47:55 PM PDT by monkfan
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