Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani

Human Events ^ | August 30 2006 | John Hawkins

[Little Ray]

Yes, he is, and he'd make a GREAT Democrat presidential canditate.

But not a Republican one.

[Jake The Goose]

Funny - thanks.....

I live in S.C. - but I love the Bears.

You're right - you need a QB

[firewalk]

Thanks for posting that

[Prokopton]

"Rudy is better than any democrat."

I'd much rather have a democrat like Zell Miller as President.

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Zell_Miller.htm

[CollegeRepublican]

From the Front Page of FreeRepublic, "We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America."

As a conservative, I will not work to elect Rudy, until it is a choice between only Rudy and a Demoncrat. We on FreeRepublic should be working to elect a conservative Republican until then.

[Jeff Chandler]

Rudy is better than any democrat.

Talk about lowering the bar, LOL!

[Alberta's Child]

Let's put all this silly messianic adoration of Rudy Giuliani in perspective.

When he entered office in 1993, New York City was a crime-infested sh!t-hole. When he left in 2001, it was an orderly, functioning city that is still one of the most radical leftist havens in North America.

Turning a city from Aristide-era Port-au-Prince into Brezhnev-era Moscow sure takes a lot of talent and leadership, but I'm pretty damn sure that this is not the kind of person we want in the White House.

[aynrandfreak]

LOL!

[garv]

Gee, what happened to that devilish sense of humor?

How about we compromise on Newt and call it a day.

[Jake The Goose]

Fair enough - you SHOULD fight for your man or woman and for your beliefs - I totally applaud that.

I will agree with you - if my man (RUDY) is defeated in the run up - I will get behind the Republican candidate and I will join you in the big battle.

Rock on

[Deb]

I look at what Rudy did, not what he said. He governed a city everyone said could not be governed. He crushed crime and never backed off even when the black, gay and homeless "leaders" spent every, waking moment trying to take him down.

He had daily press conferences and gave the uber-toxic NYC press hardballs to the head for every question.

The Left hated him when he was DA and they hated him as mayor. They would have hated him as senator and they hate him as 9/11 leader. That's why I love him.

[Jake The Goose]

How about we compromise on Newt and call it a day.

WOW - now you've put me in a tough spot. I do love Newt.

Oh man - I just don't think me can get the job - you know?

How about if I say Newt is my first choice - but Rudy is my public choice?

No - I'm being a squirrel....

[Reagan Man]

As far as I can tell, Rudy Giuliani is one of the ultimate political opportunists of our time. He may be able to hoodwink some Republicans, but come election day most conservatives will not vote for Rudy. Giuliani is a menace to mainstream conservatism.

[DungeonMaster]

I'll stay home and watch vampire movies before I'll vote for Rudy.

[Alberta's Child]

Stats can point to the 1 million people on welfare and that transformation to I believe 400K today but the numbers don't tell the full story.

You're right -- those numbers don't tell the full story. NYC's declining welfare rolls sure can't be attributed to any hard-nosed approach to the issue on the part of Rudy Giuliani. His administration filed a lawsuit in Federal court opposing the 1996 Federal welfare reform legislation, which basically put Giuliani to the left of Bill Clinton (of all people) on this issue.

The real story behind this "magic" reduction in welfare cases in New York City was that the city government basically undertook a massive campaign to move welfare recipients off the AFDC rolls and onto Social Security Disability. So the city's 1+ million chronic malcontents and permanently unemployable are still receiving Federal assistance at the expense of hard-working taxpayers, but it's just not called "welfare" anymore.

New York City now has more SSDI recipients per capita than any other jurisdiction in America. This, by the way, is one more reason why the Giuliani administration was so adamantly opposed to any attempt on the part of the Federal government to crack down on cities that shelter illegal aliens. The number of illegal aliens (and even recent legal immigrants) among those SSDI recipients is such a disgrace that I find myself wondering what planet I'm living on when I see so many so-called "conservatives" shilling for this @sshole.

People need to understand that certain social issues will not be decided at the Executive level but at the state. Supreme Court may one day kick abortion back to the states, etc., but one should not be dissuaded from voting for Rudy as a result. In fact that would be a reason to vote for him as he would not be a central player at all on this and other social issues.

This is one of the silliest, most delusional statements I've ever seen posted on this subject. These social issues will only be decided at the state level if the U.S. Supreme Court allows them to be decided at the state level (remember -- Roe v. Wade, which is still the "law of the land," overturned every state law that was in place at the time governing the subject of abortion.

And since Rudy Giuliani's track record when he was functioning outside the Federal level of government indicates that he was strongly opposed to any measure -- Federal, state, or local -- other than the most radical, left-wing approach to the issue, I'd say he fails miserably on all accounts.

[Alberta's Child]

If Hillary Clinton were the GOP candidate in 2008, I can be sure that a good number of so-called "conservatives" would be shilling for her here as the most viable candidate.

P.S. I am not -- and never have been -- a Republican. I am a principled conservative who has voted primarily for Republicans on a Federal level because the national GOP platform is substantially more conservative than the alternative. A Republican candidate whose track record differs from that platform on 80-90% of the issues is not conservatives in any way and will not get my vote.

[Spiff]

You're right -- those numbers don't tell the full story. NYC's declining welfare rolls sure can't be attributed to any hard-nosed approach to the issue on the part of Rudy Giuliani. His administration filed a lawsuit in Federal court opposing the 1996 Federal welfare reform legislation, which basically put Giuliani to the left of Bill Clinton (of all people) on this issue. The real story behind this "magic" reduction in welfare cases in New York City was that the city government basically undertook a massive campaign to move welfare recipients off the AFDC rolls and onto Social Security Disability. So the city's 1+ million chronic malcontents and permanently unemployable are still receiving Federal assistance at the expense of hard-working taxpayers, but it's just not called "welfare" anymore. New York City now has more SSDI recipients per capita than any other jurisdiction in America. This, by the way, is one more reason why the Giuliani administration was so adamantly opposed to any attempt on the part of the Federal government to crack down on cities that shelter illegal aliens. The number of illegal aliens (and even recent legal immigrants) among those SSDI recipients is such a disgrace that I find myself wondering what planet I'm living on when I see so many so-called "conservatives" shilling for this @sshole.

Any source you have for this info would be appreciated. I plan to add it to the list of things that prove Rudy Giuliani is a liberal and that he absolutely should not be supported by any Republican, especially conservatives.

[razzle]

macaca is a clown, and the democrat Allen referred to was a clown; I like straight shooters personally.

[Liz]

He may be able to hoodwink some Republicans, but come election day most conservatives will not vote for Rudy.

Rudy is a visceral liberal----but he also knows he needs social conservatives to make a decent primary showing----or else he's toast.

Now Rudy's in a tizzy----trying try to change his liberals stripes, hoping to co-opt social conservatives into voting for him.

But the comments of his supporters speak louder than Rudy's politicking.

The contempt they show conservatives and the disparagement of social conservative issues are an indication that Rudy will co-opt conservatives into letting them think he is one of them, but if by some perverted twist of fate he gets near the WH, these are the people he will surrpund himself with----conservatives will be thrown off the lifeboat.

One of Rudy's ding-a-lings has already suggested conservatives are expected to pack up and leave the Repub party if he wins.

Rudy shows his political stupidity by failing to see these people are his biggest liability. Letting his promoters out of their cages to attack social conservatives is not very smart.

[Alberta's Child]

I'll track down some information for you. The "recent immigrant collecting SSDI" is one of the worst-kept secrets in New York City these days. There are areas of Brooklyn (Brighton Beach, for example) that would be completely depopulated if not for the influx of Russian immigrants over the last 25 years -- and where insurance fraud and SSDI are the two major "industries."