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To: pissant
You hit a key point.

Good, I have been aiming at it for years in this site with varying degrees of success.

The role of gov't is debatable.

I have the classical liberal view of it that most of the founders ascribed to. Not many others do anymore, most have been brain numbed if not brain washed about it. GWB is classic among them.

In order to advance your ideas, win the argument and get your way, you need to be clear and concise and persuasive.

Most people do not value that either, at least around here. They don't seem to like clear and concise, and persuaded is out of the question.

If you think that the rest of humanity is just too stupid to be reasoned with, you will have lost all hope of influence.

Good thing I have never thought that or given the impression that I do.

Ignorant and complacent are different from stupid.

61 posted on 08/30/2006 10:48:17 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Protagoras

Conservatives had obviously been losing the debate on the role and scope of government from 1930 til 1980. Reagan more or less stopped the march of liberalism and started in the proper direction. I listed many of the small victories for conservatives in another thread. It will take consistent and sustained effort from ALL conservatives, regardless of their particular preferences to keep the ball moving in the right direction. It will not happen quickly and it will not happen in large dramatic steps. It is small things like getting Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS, steamrolling the gun grabbers with grass roots activism, pushing for a flat tax to replace the income tax, peeling back onerous regulations from the EPA and OSHA, and taking on one bureaucracy after another to get this ship in shape. It cannot be done if libertarians (you), neocons, paleocons, and constititionalists (me) refuse to join forces.


62 posted on 08/30/2006 11:51:30 AM PDT by pissant
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