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Painter Said to Be Focus of FBI Probe (Thomas Kinkade)
Los Angeles Times ^ | August 29, 2006 | Kim Christiensen

Posted on 08/29/2006 2:34:35 PM PDT by Cecily

The FBI is investigating allegations that self-styled "Painter of Light" Thomas Kinkade and some of his top executives fraudulently induced investors to open galleries and then ruined them financially, former dealers contacted by federal agents said.

Investigators are focusing on issues raised in civil litigation by at least six former Thomas Kinkade Signature Gallery owners, people who have been contacted by the FBI said.

ADVERTISEMENTThe ex-owners allege in arbitration claims that, among other things, the artist known for his dreamily luminous landscapes and street scenes used his Christian faith to persuade them to invest in the independently owned stores, which sell only Kinkade's work.

"They really knew how to bait the hook," said one former dealer who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the case. "They certainly used the Christian hook."

Kinkade has denied the allegations in the civil litigation.

Two former dealers told the Los Angeles Times that they had been asked to provide documentation of their business relationships with Kinkade's company. They said agents asked for copies of dealer agreements, retail sales policies, training materials from "Thomas Kinkade University" and correspondence, including e-mail.

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To: SlowBoat407

Just curious -- can you cite some numbers?


261 posted on 08/30/2006 6:26:34 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: pollyannaish
"Using Christianity to hawk one's wares is roughly akin to the money changers in the temple and we all know how that turned out."

I agree with that in principle. That is my fundamental issue with Christian bookstores. On the other hand, they cater to a niche market which is inadequately served by anything else. Also, many Christians want to know that they're dealing with Christian businesses. Of course, they are assuming, often falsely, that the following is true: (1) that businesses operated by Christians will follow Biblical principles in their business dealings and (2) that "Christian" businesses will not support anti-Christian ideology.

262 posted on 08/30/2006 6:27:00 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile!)
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To: hellinahandcart

OMG, Precious Moments are as awful as Hummels. Freaky little hydrocephalic bug-eyed things.


263 posted on 08/30/2006 6:27:11 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: Xenalyte

I said the same thing earlier.


264 posted on 08/30/2006 6:28:01 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
You gotta be stinking kidding me. There were...ARE Kinkade housing developments?

You're actually telling me my nightmare was for real?


Enough to make you drink in the morning, isn't it? (Me too.)
265 posted on 08/30/2006 6:28:05 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: Xenalyte

>That's a photo? WOW!<

Yep. Rowell was a National Geographic photographer. The guy managed to climb up to places other photographers could only imagine.

That said, the photo I posted upthread is probably far too busy for a bunch of the artists on this thread (Sally Mann is more "artistic", but she's a bit controversial). Rowell just managed to catch the most amazing natural lighting.

Here's his website:

http://www.mountainlight.com/gallery.html


266 posted on 08/30/2006 6:28:13 AM PDT by Darnright (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: SlowBoat407

Oh my god! LOL LOL LOL LOL


267 posted on 08/30/2006 6:28:24 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: Neoliberalnot
Just curious -- can you cite some numbers?

I did a random sample (not scientific at all) and saw that many of the items that were priced at more than $200 had no bids. Someone else may come up with different numbers, but I've done this exercise several times in the past and have always come up with similar results. People who try to realize any appreciation in price on Kinkades are often sorely disappointed.

268 posted on 08/30/2006 6:31:48 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
He's no Norman Rockwell, but I sure couldn't make pictures with paint, brushes, and canvas. At least not that I could sell.

Have you tried?

I'm serious. My mom took up painting this year, in her 80s (she doesn't have the stamina for choreography any more) and she's already sold 3 pictures, for good prices. Which may prove that there's one born every minute . . .

Of course, as a dancer she's always been in the art scene, so her eye is already trained. There are principles of composition and technical details to learn, but she's working on that.

269 posted on 08/30/2006 6:35:27 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: restornu

That was sorta rude.


270 posted on 08/30/2006 6:36:02 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: SlowBoat407

What is the timeline you are referring to in the world of art appreciation? How valuable were originals worth when sold versus following the death of the artist?


271 posted on 08/30/2006 6:36:55 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: Revolting cat!; GreenEggsNHam

LOL!!


272 posted on 08/30/2006 6:38:55 AM PDT by ericthecurdog (The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain.)
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To: Rembrandt_fan

LOL. All that discussion and we completely agree.


273 posted on 08/30/2006 6:41:40 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: leilani
Perhaps if they indicated they were willing to assimilate, foreswear their attachments to their Kinkadian belief system and demonstrate allegiance to our demonstrably superior aesthetic, maybe they can stay?

I would be willing to let them retain citizenship on those conditions, provided (of course) that they don't transfer their loyalty to whoever makes Precious Moments figures.
274 posted on 08/30/2006 6:44:21 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: Xenalyte

I always thought Lladros were kind of weird too.

Oh well, to each his own. I was never a figurine type of gal anyway. As far as household dustcatchers go, I much prefer my husband's mineral and fossil collection.


275 posted on 08/30/2006 6:44:27 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Neoliberalnot; SlowBoat407
When aggressive marketing enters the "world of art appreciation", you get rapid depreciation.

We already saw this several decades ago when Salvador Dali's unscrupulous guardians/executors ran thousands and thousands of lithographs and faked his signature on them. Once the deception was discovered, the price crashed on ALL Dali's prints, not just the fake ones.

The GOOD side to this was that I was able to pick up what is almost certainly a fake Dali print for less than $75 at an art auction (I was the only one who bid on it - and it came with a frame, too!)

But since Kincade's stuff was similarly run off in the thousands and thousands and arbitrarily divided up into "limited editions", its value will not hold, despite original purchasers being duped into paying steep prices. Law of supply and demand is also operating here.

276 posted on 08/30/2006 6:46:15 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: hellinahandcart

Lladros are a little sketchy, but they don't freak me out nearly as bad as Precious Moments. I swear, all those kids are waterheads.


277 posted on 08/30/2006 6:46:20 AM PDT by Xenalyte (No movie shall triumph over "Snakes on a Plane.")
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To: Xenalyte; martin_fierro

LMAO and pinging my fave precious moments fanatic ; )


278 posted on 08/30/2006 6:46:50 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Xenalyte; xsmommy; hellinahandcart
Well, guys, I didn't have to look far to find something MUCH worse than Kincade . . .

That is truly over the top . . . puppies. AND kittens (and what is it with their eyes?)

279 posted on 08/30/2006 6:52:17 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: theFIRMbss; mikrofon; Charles Henrickson; sully777; Xenalyte; xsmommy
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280 posted on 08/30/2006 6:54:11 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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