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Marine's attorney condemns case (Camp Pendleton 8)
San Diego Union ^ | 29 AUG 2006 | Rick Rogers

Posted on 08/29/2006 12:03:10 PM PDT by radar101

Joseph Casas isn't worried about the national spotlight on hearings set to start tomorrow at Camp Pendleton for the Hamdaniya case. He is worried about what potential jurors might hear from prosecutors accusing his client and seven others of killing a man in Iraq.

Casas and Jane Siegal are representing Pfc. John Jodka III of Encinitas, one of two Hamdaniya suspects scheduled to undergo pretrial proceedings tomorrow morning. The other defendant is Cpl. Marshall L. Magincalda.

Jodka and Magincalda are among seven Marines and a Navy corpsman charged with killing a civilian April 26 in Hamdaniya and then attempting to cover it up. In coming weeks, the suspects' hearings will help determine whether they should be tried by courts-martial.

At tomorrow's sessions, prosecutors are likely to introduce incriminating statements that investigators obtained during their questioning of the men, Casas said yesterday. The remarks could prove pivotal, he said, if they taint the jury pool and undermine public support for the defendants.

“The government has evidence that on its face does not look good (for the accused), but it was illegally obtained,” said Casas, who wouldn't be more specific about the nature of the statements or the wrongs he believes the investigators committed while getting them.

Magincalda's attorney, Joseph Low, declined to confirm the existence of such statements.

“I don't know what the prosecution is going to do,” he said. “If I had condemning evidence, it would be a big part of my case.”

Marine spokesman Lt. Col. Sean Gibson said only that prosecutors would present the evidence necessary to inform the investigating officers, who will oversee the hearings and then recommend whether the defendants should go to trial.

Lt. Gen. James Mattis, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton, will review those recommendations before making a decision about the courts-martial.

The investigating officers for tomorrow's hearings are expected to be Col. Robert Chester and Lt. Col. Paul Pugliese. Chester is a judge at Camp Pendleton who recently presided over cases involving detainees in Guantanamo, Cuba. Pugliese is a Marine reserve officer and an assistant U.S. attorney in Reno.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hamdania; marines; pendleton8

1 posted on 08/29/2006 12:03:11 PM PDT by radar101
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To: SandRat; NormsRevenge

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2 posted on 08/29/2006 12:12:47 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
I sure am rooting for these guys.They say they have statements,yada,yada,but when you are in a firefight,very few people really remember what happened.Actions are more or less automatic,that is what they are trained to do.But I also believe that the investigation should continue,but without the PC factor involved.The Army and the Marines always had their differences,but there was mutual respect.I am going to say,with my knowledge of the Marines,maybe there could be a bad apple.But I find it hard to believe there could be that many more.I am an Army guy,but they are fellow soldiers,and deserve proper respect and treatment.AND they have not been convicted of anything.They deserve better,in my opinion.
3 posted on 08/29/2006 1:23:34 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: radar101

My question is in what manner did they obtain any statements from the men? There was a lot of talk early on that these servicemen were subjected to very coercive techniques while being interrogated. They were probably much harder on our own men than they are on the Gitmo jihadists. Interrogation done well will bring about all kinds of information, not necessarily factual.


4 posted on 08/29/2006 2:22:53 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Rules of Engagement: to Engage!)
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To: xarmydog

Well, we Marines appreciate your support.

As one who "walked point" in Nam in 1969 & 1970, there wasn't a day we were attacked and returned fire that undoubtedly there wasn't collateral damage.

But anyone who has ever been in combat and has had to clear out a village and/or urban area will tell you that they find it verrrrry hard to believe that these Marines purposely went into these houses and committed cold blooded murder. I have personally met many of the Marines from the Fifth Marines serving in Iraq and you couldn't have met a finer bunch of young men. "Murderers?" It is just not in our DNA!

I have been predicting since the beginning of this investigation that I expect these Marines will be exonerated.
I only hope that the MSM will be as diligent in reporting their innocence. But we Marines won't be holding our collective breath.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


5 posted on 08/29/2006 2:29:19 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
To me, it is a dog and pony show for some irate Iraqis.I am quite sure the Govt.knows what happened,but I honestly believe the need to put on some kind of semblance to justice.That is politics.But I do not believe our men should be used as scapegoats.To me,that is what they are at the present time.Even if acquitted,they will forever be labeled.Branded,like the old days.Sorry for the rant,but my blood boils at this nonsense.Being treated worse than our worst criminals,is a crime unto itself.Semper Fi to the marines,and pray for the best.Sincerely,xarmydog
6 posted on 08/29/2006 2:55:31 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: kellynla

"I have been predicting since the beginning of this investigation that I expect these Marines will be exonerated.
I only hope that the MSM will be as diligent in reporting their innocence. But we Marines won't be holding our collective breath."

This USAF Aiman is with them too. I want them exonerated too and like you I'm holding my breathe too. I never packed the gear they have, though in my Heart and Mind I'm standing beside them; whether they are locked up or in the courtroom. God Bless these Marines and the Navy medic, because they are some of the many reasons that the Stars and Stripes are still flying.


7 posted on 08/29/2006 3:36:29 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: kellynla; 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; ...

Don't be hesitate! Stand behind, defend, and support the Pendleton 8!


8 posted on 08/29/2006 4:36:03 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: xarmydog

"I am rooting for these guys". So am I and donated money for their defense. I'll believe American Marines before I'll believe folks who are known to lie.


9 posted on 08/29/2006 5:48:50 PM PDT by maxwellp
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To: xarmydog

"I am rooting for these guys". So am I and donated money for their defense. I'll believe American Marines before I'll believe Iraqi folks who are known to lie for whatever reason.


10 posted on 08/29/2006 5:51:16 PM PDT by maxwellp
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To: radar101

The Government has no case it can prove using an Iraqi witness or unless it turns one of the Pendleton eight against the rest.

That is the only reason they have been kept in confinement, to break one of them and make him turn against the rest.

If they were guilty one of them would have rolled over by now.


11 posted on 08/29/2006 6:13:26 PM PDT by usmcobra (I got my end of the world underwear on, It's totally stain proof and aluminum.)
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To: kellynla
Walking point was a job nobody wanted.Having a good point man was invaluable.I am glad you are able to talk about it!The wife and I have been going through some rough times financially,but I showed her your post,and she said,Honey,we could scrape something together.She is not an avid newsreader,but she gets it.I almost had my step son talked into enlisting.He is 26 and a Stone Cold Austin look alike.But after seeing the treatment those Marines are getting,that put a stop to that.I was disappointed,but,in some ways,I can't fault him.I could see one of the men making a mistake,as you said,it does happen,but for all of them to?I doubt it.As someone mentioned on this forum,I think they are waiting for one to'crack'.It hasn't happened yet,nor do I expect it to.Thank you for your service,and I am glad you made it home.If you can,send me an address as to where a donation can be made.I would appreciate it.Regards,xarmydog
12 posted on 08/30/2006 8:15:26 AM PDT by xarmydog
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To: xarmydog

Just remember these Marines & all Marines in your prayers.
That would be a wealth of a "donation!"


Thank you again for your support and your service.
With the Grace of God, I fully expect these Marines & Corpsman to be exonerated.

Semper Fi,
Kelly


13 posted on 08/30/2006 8:35:35 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Point man in Nam, I was point this time last yr right down the road from Haditha, in the city of Hit.

The Pendleton 8 were in 3/1, the unit that replaced us. We left about a month before this.. I think the truth will come out and people will realize that these Marines are not rookies (3/1 was one of the lead units in the assault on Fallujah) they did not "stress out". They did not succumb to pressure. They responded like we are trained to do. They did what the had to do to protect themselves and other Marines.. Semper Fi Kelly.
14 posted on 08/30/2006 8:47:33 AM PDT by Kilo0311 (KILO CO COMPANY 3/25; We fought in Iraq so your kid could party in college)
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To: Kilo0311

Thank you for your service, Marine!

Welcome home & welcome to FR!

Please stay close to FR & keep FReepers who have not been in combat and/or not been to Iraq informed on what exactly was going on when you were there.

If you were ever at "Blackies" in Newport Beach;
we may have met!

Saddle Up! :-]

Semper Fi,
Kelly
"C" 1/5


15 posted on 08/30/2006 9:00:44 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Kilo0311
Welcome to Free Republic!

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your honorable service to this nation and the cause of liberty! You, and the men and women like you, pay the way for me and my family to continue to live in peace and freedom. I deeply appreciate it.

16 posted on 08/30/2006 9:06:55 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: All

Hey its my pleasure. I just did what I signed up to do.


17 posted on 08/31/2006 9:10:39 AM PDT by Kilo0311 (KILO COMPANY 3/25; We fought in Iraq so your kid could party in college)
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