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Drop in SAT scores biggest in 31 years
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| 8/29/06
| Justin Pope
Posted on 08/29/2006 8:32:31 AM PDT by RushCrush
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To: pleikumud
I agree that governemtn schools are failures and we should adapt new means to educate. We start with competition, we then dismantle the union, we then pay for merit/performance.
To: RushCrush
This was just announced at my school today. This proves either that the College Board's new test isn't working or that students just don't care enough to work hard anymore...or maybe both. However, I think the writing section should be scrapped. Colleges already get to see how you write in you application essay, so why do they need to see your score on a 25-minute timed essay draft? After all, in the real world, you have more than 25 minutes to write essays and reports, and they are not just an unedited spewing of the first ideas that come to your mind like on the SAT.
To: RushCrush
And this is AFTER they made the SAT easier? Good gravy!
Homeschooling bump!
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posted on
08/29/2006 12:18:54 PM PDT
by
Antoninus
(I don't vote for liberals, regardless of party.)
To: Labyrinthos
When I took the SAT back in the mid-70's, I had to walk to the test site, uphill, in both directions, during a blizzard the third week of May.My neighbors did that too, except that they had to wear barbed wire shoes (just to show that they could afford barbed wire and the rest of us couldn't.)
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posted on
08/29/2006 12:31:35 PM PDT
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: 1Old Pro
I agree that government schools are failures and we should adapt new means to educate. We start with competition, we then dismantle the union, we then pay for merit/performance.
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The merit/performance thing was proposed here where I live, and of course, it was rejected...thanks to the powerful teachers unions.
The problem is that we have all these factions (parents, teachers, administrators, government functionaries, so-called "activists" and "experts"), each with their own agendas...none of which have anything to do with actually educating our children.
To: G8 Diplomat
> This proves either that the College Board's new test isn't working or that students just don't care enough to work hard anymore...or maybe both<
Not all colleges require essays especially large Universities.
Most Colleges are continuing to base admissions on just the verbal and math parts until the new essay section has all its bugs ironed out and it has predictive validity.
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posted on
08/29/2006 1:16:22 PM PDT
by
Blessed
To: Blessed
Actually most public universities do require application essays, and although colleges currently only care about the math and verbal, starting in 2007, they will start looking at the writing section as well.
To: G8 Diplomat
One reason for a timed essay on the SAT is that they know reasonably well that YOU DID IT YOURSELF -- no help from parents, "admission counselors," paid prep aides, etc. Second, in real life, as well as on College exams, you frequently have to think, write and produce a piece of writing on deadline. It's not the only thing, but most folks who can't produce a reasonable piece of writing in 30 minutes aren't going to give you Paradise Lost if you give them all year!
To: RushCrush; All
"They were treating me like just another "product" of the education system, just another number.
They want worker bees [my emphasis]. Push a button. Pull a lever. Get just enough 'education' to learn how to be compliant, happy little 21st Century workers who don't ask any questions and keep their noses to the grindstone. I thought, 'surely, not my school'. I was wrong."
Ashley Anderson, 16 years old
NewsWithViews.com
9-16-03
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posted on
08/30/2006 11:32:57 AM PDT
by
OnRightOnLeftCoast
(U.S. government: Voluntary laws and policies assuring self-destruction)
To: BohDaThone
...most folks who can't produce a reasonable piece of writing in 30 minutes aren't going to give you Paradise Lost if you give them all year!
The topics they give on the SAT are not simple things. They require time to think of a side to take and organize your ideas to support or refute it and make sure they are solid, and to do a decent job it does take more than 25 minutes. I know--I've TAKEN the new SAT. 25 minutes was a bit of a rush.
To: OnRightOnLeftCoast
Second, in real life, as well as on College exams, you frequently have to think, write and produce a piece of writing on deadline.
Not a 25-minute deadline, I'll bet.
To: Antoninus
And this is AFTER they made the SAT easier? Good gravy!
Actually, they made the SAT harder. They added a third section and included Algebra 2 material as well.
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