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Ethanol could leave the world hungry
Cnn.com ^ | 8-16-06 | Lester Brown

Posted on 08/29/2006 5:55:39 AM PDT by Hydroshock

The growing myth that corn is a cure-all for our energy woes is leading us toward a potentially dangerous global fight for food. While crop-based ethanol -the latest craze in alternative energy - promises a guilt-free way to keep our gas tanks full, the reality is that overuse of our agricultural resources could have consequences even more drastic than, say, being deprived of our SUVs. It could leave much of the world hungry.

We are facing an epic competition between the 800 million motorists who want to protect their mobility and the two billion poorest people in the world who simply want to survive. In effect, supermarkets and service stations are now competing for the same resources.

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This year cars, not people, will claim most of the increase in world grain consumption. The problem is simple: It takes a whole lot of agricultural produce to create a modest amount of automotive fuel.

The grain required to fill a 25-gallon SUV gas tank with ethanol, for instance, could feed one person for a year. If today's entire U.S. grain harvest were converted into fuel for cars, it would still satisfy less than one-sixth of U.S. demand.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; ethanol; growhempfools
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To: HEY4QDEMS
All the new plants use the corn stalks and solid waste to provide themselves with all of their energy requirements...

Most of the newest plants coming up burn coal. The huge amount of co2 produced in ethanol production, not to mention by burning coal or natural gas (or even waste), means environmentalists will never accept ethanol as fuel.

61 posted on 08/29/2006 6:30:08 AM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: hurly
Dr. Tad Patzek, a petroleum and chemical engineer at UC Berkeley

The opinions of one doctor...at Berkeley. Let's see some research.
62 posted on 08/29/2006 6:30:21 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: from occupied ga
And, a number of studies are wrong.

BTW, recombinant DNA work now underway is going to provide us with high cellulose content crops which when heated will release enzymes that turn the entire mass of material into ethanol.

Think weeds!

63 posted on 08/29/2006 6:32:34 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mr. Lucky
wholly possible to power an ethanol plant with the spent grain from the distillation process

do you have a reference?

64 posted on 08/29/2006 6:32:36 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: xcamel
Cash flow in extreme quantities from your taxpayer wallet into the hands of heavily subsidized corn farmers, and former brewery owners.

Do you really think that Shell Oil is going to rely on government subsidies to provide feedstock for its domestic ethanol production?
65 posted on 08/29/2006 6:32:37 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: petro45acp
details if convenient...

Since you asked, read this: Pimental

66 posted on 08/29/2006 6:35:09 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: from occupied ga

In addition, according to WSJ and the EPA, ethanol is a greater pollutant, and costs more per gallon than gasoline while delivering lower mpg.


67 posted on 08/29/2006 6:36:00 AM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: mcg2000

For the most part, the land which is not being farmed is less than satisfactory for good yields.


68 posted on 08/29/2006 6:37:50 AM PDT by rollin (q)
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To: from occupied ga
The continental US has enough coal in the ground to last 3 to 500 years. If we had spent all the time and effort that is going into ethanol production into coal gasification we would be swimming in $1.00 a gallon gas and diesel.
69 posted on 08/29/2006 6:37:56 AM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
but it is wholly possible to power an ethanol plant with the spent grain from the distillation process

Thank you for your reasoned reply:- a breath of fresh air on this thread. Please note: it is not just the ethanol plant that needs fuelling - one also has to harvest the grain. Combine harvesters need fuel and we also need to transport our bio-fuel to the vendor. If we look at the entire process - does it produce excess energy?

The very simplest way of checking this without doing exhaustive sums is to ask the question: does the process require subsidy? Is there free-market investment in a non-subsidised industry? At the moment the answer is no.

The answer might not always be no, of course. A genetically created crop might come along that pushes ethanol over the edge. But Govt subsidy of corn ethanol is actually holding back such research - the profit barrier is raised by having to beat subsidy as well as the normal problems of research

70 posted on 08/29/2006 6:38:00 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: P-40
Who says you can't?

Pimental does. See link in post #66

71 posted on 08/29/2006 6:38:11 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
In 5 years, we'll be inundated in light crude oil from the Canada syncrude projects. If not 5 years then soon after...

In 9 years, with the investment of $105 Billion (Canadian) they might get the production up to 3 million barrels a day. If they get enough labor, material and equipment to proceed with all the projects. A good help to us, but a long way from the 20 million BPD we use.

Oil sands take over center stage

72 posted on 08/29/2006 6:38:35 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: betsyross1776

Cite facts ... this is so false, we should not dignify it with a reply!


73 posted on 08/29/2006 6:40:50 AM PDT by rollin (q)
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To: from occupied ga

What then would you suggest as an alternative? It's easy to poo-poo an idea without offering another option.


74 posted on 08/29/2006 6:43:49 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: painter
Coal is a very high carbon content fuel. Consequently the amount of CO2 it produces per given quantity of energy is far higher than high hydrogen content fuels.

Just basic highschool chemistry ~ besides, coal has many uses beyond energy production and should be husbanded for the indefinite future.

75 posted on 08/29/2006 6:43:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
And, a number of studies are wrong.

Oh no doubt, but are the ones that suddenly show it to be a net energy producer wrong or are the ones that have for decades shown it to be a net energy consumer wrong? or are they both wrong and it''s energy neutral, but another great way for Kongress to justify pouring gobs of taxpayer money into special interest groups.

If you really want energy independence ramp up coal synfuel and use more diesels. There is a steady supply of coal synfuel that works it's way into the diesel fuel supply, but no one seems to care about it since it's not a tree hugger thing.

76 posted on 08/29/2006 6:44:11 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: from occupied ga

Thank you for making the point. You are right on target.


77 posted on 08/29/2006 6:45:07 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: from occupied ga
Pimental does. See link in post #66

He also claim in 2001 that it took 70% more energy to produce ethanol than the ethanol would yield. His answer changed a bit, did it not? Maybe the fuel used to fight those fires on 9/11 messed his equations up.
78 posted on 08/29/2006 6:45:15 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: from occupied ga

Thank you for making the point. You are right on target.


79 posted on 08/29/2006 6:45:23 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Ouderkirk
alternative

Two things. If it really is a net energy consumer, then doing nothing is a better alternative, sincer its use just makes us more dependent on fossil fuel, but as it turns out there are a number of viable alternatives - drill in ANWAR, coal synfuel, build 200 more nuclear plants and use them to provide the energy to synthesize fuel.

80 posted on 08/29/2006 6:46:49 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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