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Ethanol could leave the world hungry
Cnn.com ^ | 8-16-06 | Lester Brown

Posted on 08/29/2006 5:55:39 AM PDT by Hydroshock

The growing myth that corn is a cure-all for our energy woes is leading us toward a potentially dangerous global fight for food. While crop-based ethanol -the latest craze in alternative energy - promises a guilt-free way to keep our gas tanks full, the reality is that overuse of our agricultural resources could have consequences even more drastic than, say, being deprived of our SUVs. It could leave much of the world hungry.

We are facing an epic competition between the 800 million motorists who want to protect their mobility and the two billion poorest people in the world who simply want to survive. In effect, supermarkets and service stations are now competing for the same resources.

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More about bio-fuels Why Wal-Mart wants to sell ethanol

E85 is available at only a tiny fraction of gas stations. But the giant retailer is poised to change that. (more) Manure mountains to fuel ethanol plant One company's drive to locate domestic sources of energy is taking a turn into the barnyard. (more) Soybeans that give you gas Argentina is a prime market for making and selling renewable biodiesel fuel thanks to cheap land and labor, as well as bumper crops of soybeans. (more)

This year cars, not people, will claim most of the increase in world grain consumption. The problem is simple: It takes a whole lot of agricultural produce to create a modest amount of automotive fuel.

The grain required to fill a 25-gallon SUV gas tank with ethanol, for instance, could feed one person for a year. If today's entire U.S. grain harvest were converted into fuel for cars, it would still satisfy less than one-sixth of U.S. demand.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; ethanol; growhempfools
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To: TKDietz
Who could live a whole year on 9 bushels of corn?

...and, of course, who eats #2 yellow dent field corn?

101 posted on 08/29/2006 6:57:49 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: agere_contra
Subsidising[sp] ethanol - subsidising[sp] ANYTHING - cannot be the answer to America's fuel requirements.

Right now with oil hovering around $70 /bbl, there is certainly no need to subsidize the ethanol industry, but if oil were to fall below $40 / bbl, then subsidies may be required to provide incentive for the facilities to stay on line and continue advancing the technology.
102 posted on 08/29/2006 6:58:08 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: jwalburg

....Corn is just a stepping stone.

And that's a fact. Some people are very positive about the future of ethanol plants...the ingenuity will be astonishing.


103 posted on 08/29/2006 6:58:20 AM PDT by Auntie Toots (The GOP is still the best we've got))
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To: from occupied ga
I understand that coal synfuel diesel comes in at about $40 - $45/barrel,

Ok,$1.50 gas. You are right about the the tree huggers here.

104 posted on 08/29/2006 6:59:04 AM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: hlmencken3
I believe it takes more water to refine oil into a gallon of gasoline than to make a gallon of ethanol.

If you search a little bit, I don't believe you will find this to be true.

105 posted on 08/29/2006 6:59:09 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Loud Mime
The water that is used to produce the crops

If you are growing corn, or any crop for that matter, where the primary means of getting water to the plants is irrigation, you are asking for trouble unless you have one heck of a good water supply.
106 posted on 08/29/2006 6:59:30 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: thackney

I saw the Rigzone post earlier, listing Encana, Suncor, Husky, Shell, Petrocan and Imperial all up to their ears in syncrude. If five of the six do 500,000 bbls/day and Shell does 500,000 to maybe 750,000, it'd be a nice plus.


107 posted on 08/29/2006 6:59:33 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Read it again. There are not quantities of this size at all of the those producers.

108 posted on 08/29/2006 7:01:25 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: IamConservative

Where, give or take, do you live?


109 posted on 08/29/2006 7:01:48 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: painter
Ok,$1.50 gas.

That would be great for the rural areas but not for the cities...
110 posted on 08/29/2006 7:03:46 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Auntie Toots

Frankly the naysayers are going to have to suck it up and get used to it because the plants are under construction all across the nation.


111 posted on 08/29/2006 7:04:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: from occupied ga

Ethanol is going to rate right up there with CNG, battery powered cars, hybrids, and every other mileage miracle like gas line magnets, intake turbo vanes, catalytic screens under carburetors, fuel tank pills, acetone, moth balls, octane boosters and water injection. Sheese, can't remember them all.


112 posted on 08/29/2006 7:06:18 AM PDT by biff
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To: rollin

Let the free market decide. If ethanol is the answer, then get rid of all subsidies and tarriffs on imported ethanol and see if anyone is willing to produce it. If it were a net producer then we might get some takers.


113 posted on 08/29/2006 7:06:22 AM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: cripplecreek

Some people are building plants literally in their own backyards.


114 posted on 08/29/2006 7:06:25 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: thackney

The Rigzone article didn't give quantities. Suncor is doing over 200,000 now and wants to double production. Looks as if a 500,000/bbl day mine might be what the others are targeting. $100 billion investment is no small sum.


115 posted on 08/29/2006 7:07:22 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: P-40

The Oglala aquafer in CO/NE/KS, etc. is the primary source of water for the crops in those areas. It's dropping because of use, and it will not be replenished. Experts in the area (I know one well) are very concerned with our abuse of this resource and the use of fertilizers and other chemicals that cause downstream pollution.

At some point, the amounts of these items will become a real issue, not a scare tactic. Are we there yet?

Secondly, when the government has to subsidize something like it does ethanol production, I know something is wrong. Take the funding away, see if it can fly on its own.


116 posted on 08/29/2006 7:08:08 AM PDT by Loud Mime (An undefeated enemy is still an enemy.......war has a purpose.)
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To: from occupied ga

You are essentially correct in that ethanol does not produce the same thermal output per liquid unit as petroleum distilates when burned in an internal combustion engine. Which is how we ended up with gasoline as the choice for motor fuel. The increased NOx emissions from ethanol are also a problem that will need to be addressed.

I can't say that it's a bad idea or not without seeing where time and the resulting innovation can make ethanol a viable motor fuel.

Any suggestions for alternatives for oil ?


117 posted on 08/29/2006 7:09:34 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: biff
I'm ready for the Hybrid/Ethanol/Solar powered vehicle.
118 posted on 08/29/2006 7:09:34 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: sportutegrl
then get rid of all subsidies and tarriffs

Will that include payments made by the US, and/or direct or indirect military support, to keep the favor of various and asundry third world dictators?
119 posted on 08/29/2006 7:10:18 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: muawiyah
Yes, that is unfortunately true. We should also be husbanding our limited oil resources as well. These things are much more valuable as manufactured items than as the waste byproducts of incomplete combustion.

Husband THAT too,of course! While we are "Husbanding"ALL our natural resources foreign oil producers squeeze our economic balls in a vice ever the tighter while you and your Looney tree huggers wait for your Star Trek miracle energy solution!

120 posted on 08/29/2006 7:11:05 AM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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