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Obesity? This is a job for Supernanny(neo soviet barf alert)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2330255,00.html ^ | 8 27 06 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 08/28/2006 11:20:06 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Fat is not a feminist issue, as Susie Orbach once claimed. Fat is a class issue. Rich, educated people are not fat; you see almost no children in private schools who are overweight. Fatness and obesity are directly related to lower education and lower incomes. What is sad is that at a time when this country is richer than ever and ought to have better schools than ever, we have far more fat people than ever — a dangerous explosion of flab. Last week the Department of Health issued a report grimly called Forecasting Obesity to 2010 and its findings were grotesque. Within four years, it predicts, a third of all adults — 13m people — will be obese. So will 1m children

Obese means not just podgy, but dangerously, disablingly, distastefully fat, as in American fat.

This is not just shocking; it has also happened shockingly fast. As the report says, a third of all men will be obese by 2010; in 1993 the figure was only — if one can say only of such a large figure — 13%, rising to 24% in 2004.

The same is true of women, although the rate is rising more slowly; 16% were obese in 1993, 24% in 2004, and the trend is expected to rise until 2010. The proportion of boys who were obese stood at 17% in 2003 and is predicted to rise to 19% by 2010, while among girls it is expected to increase more swiftly from 16% to 22%.

This presents an awkward challenge to libertarians. The libertarian assumption is that we should all be free to do what we want, as far as possible, and if some people’s lifestyle choices involve snacking on deep-fried Mars bars and triple-processed cheeseburgers, other people have no business interfering, still less the government.

Besides, there is the embarrassing fact that those who eat and drink junk do so for cheap comfort and because they are either too poor or too ignorant (or both) to prepare healthy food. It doesn’t come well from the consumers of steamed organic asparagus and free-range ducks’ breasts to criticise those who can manage only frozen reconstituted chicken nuggets and sugary baked beans.

However, obesity does not concern only the obese. It concerns all of us. Obese parents produce obese children, and obesity places a crippling burden on the National Health Service, quite apart from the many personal miseries involved. Currently 10% of NHS resources are spent on diabetes (two-thirds of which is the avoidable type 2 associated with obesity) and this could easily double within the next four years to 20%.

This is quite apart from the increased risk among the obese of heart disease and other serious illness. More young people are being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, something previously seen only in people over 40. In these circumstances even the most swivel-eyed libertarian would probably agree, for once, that something must be done and even perhaps by the government.

Curiously enough, however, in one of the few areas where our ever-intrusive government might for once justifiably intrude, new Labour does almost nothing. Possibly as a result of the ferocious lobbying of the food industry, ministers restrict themselves to making repetitive noises about healthy living and “small changes” that won’t cost anybody anything.

Tony Blair said last month that if the food industry did not agree to limit junk food advertisements by 2007 he would bring in mandatory rules, but he has said that before and more than once. Besides, why not bring them in straight away? His government has persistently ignored the demands of the Commons health select committee for a traffic light system of food labelling, enabling shoppers to make informed choices.

England’s chief medical officer warned in this year’s annual report that public health budgets were being raided to deal with deficits. That is the reality behind government talk of raising public awareness.

I have never been convinced that government health education has any effect. Despite the “five-a-day” campaign, only a quarter of people in England eat vegetables every day. About half of overweight men are in denial; they don’t see themselves as overweight, according to the report.

There is nothing complicated about being thin. Being fat is usually the result of eating too much junk food and taking too little exercise. Being thin means eating much less food, avoiding junk food altogether and taking exercise every day. It may be that nothing can be done about the plague of obesity; there is a growing epidemic in Europe and worldwide. Perhaps affluence is a disease to which only the fortunate few are immune. But if anything could be done about it, it would have to be radical.

Nobody who craves cheap comfort food will willingly give it up. But if over-processed, over-refined food and junk food were to become expensive while healthy fresh food became cheap — the opposite of the case today — people would be forced to eat well. This could be done through taxes or subsidies. Alternatively, you could ration unhealthy food.

There could be a public campaign against fattening food, just as there was against smoking, aimed at making everyone ashamed of consuming anything naughty but nice. I am just as greedy as anyone else but I have come to think of cakes, biscuits, crisps, sweets, white bread and puddings as more or less toxic. Foods like this should have health warnings — “cake can kill”. They are not just unnecessary, empty calories; they interfere with your blood sugar levels, affect your appetite and your mood; they may even induce food addiction. The same applies to alcohol: more than a modest amount makes you fat, interferes with your mood and is often addictive.

Just as there would need to be financial incentives to eat well, there should also be inducements to take exercise. The cost should be subsidised or declarable against tax. Employers should be required to give workers time off to go to the gym or jog. We could imitate the Japanese and have mass group exercises at work every day.

And that is the problem. Obesity, one of the trials of affluence, can be solved only, if at all, by the kind of interventionism that has been discredited by the failure of socialism. Liberty is indivisible; it belongs to the ignorant and the low paid just as much as to anyone else. Perhaps obesity is one of the many prices of liberty. Fat is a freedom issue.


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To: cinives; Xenalyte

I never really like goat cheese until some friends prepared it at a picnic at their hobby farm last autumn. Up until then, it reminded me of smelly socks.

IIRC, it consisted of pita bread topped with roasted red peppers and garlic, kalamata olives and goat cheese (darned if I remember the brand). Probably a little olive oil drizzled over all. They finished it on a hot grill so the pita had a few black bits and the goat cheese was bubbly. I was an instant convert.

I'll have to try your version, cinives. It sounds really good!


261 posted on 08/28/2006 8:16:15 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Verloona Ti

http://www.spacefoodsticks.com/spacefood/index.html


262 posted on 08/28/2006 8:18:35 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: Not just another dumb blonde
Where do you get the idea that if someone is overweight or a smoker they don't work as hard as someone else? I thought a person was hired due to their being able to do the job? Silly me. I am a smoker and when I worked I put 150% into my job. And alot of non-smokers couldn't hold a candle to me as far as my health was concerned. But then I did eat right and got plenty of exercise.

It's just simple statistics. Your health relates to your ability to do your job. I'm sure there are plenty of hardworking smokers and fat people, but statistically speaking you're more likely to require medical care and time off from work.

263 posted on 08/28/2006 8:38:16 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: stands2reason
Why are your posts about Hispanic people?

And beans are good for you.

Not refried beans.

264 posted on 08/28/2006 8:40:54 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: elmer fudd

If it's simple statistics then anyone with a family history of cancer or heart disease or even diabetes would be passed over for employment. They're health relates to their ability to do their job. So statistically speaking they'd be more likely to require medical care and time off from work. Does this sound about right?


265 posted on 08/28/2006 10:01:08 PM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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To: SupplySider

I believe Newt also proposed a return to a modernized and humanized version of orphanages, as a substitute for at least some of the pathetic segments of the foster care system.

He was demonized for that, too, but he was right.


266 posted on 08/29/2006 5:38:44 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Gabz; SupplySider

Food processor? Bread machine?

I saw that Italian dude on the Food Network make what seemed to be a beautiful pizza crust dough by putting a mound of flour on the kitchen counter, making an indentation in the top, pouring in some water and oil, I think, and mixing it with the back of a wooden spoon.

Anyway, it looked easy and yummy.


267 posted on 08/29/2006 5:44:40 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: SupplySider

My boys eat Mozz like it's candy. Does this cheese you make keep in the fridge for a while? How does it do melting?

My boys love tuna melts, too.


268 posted on 08/29/2006 5:46:05 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Not just another dumb blonde

You, being a non-smoker, have deemed it necessary to tell me I am irresponsible....



You need to go back and read ALL of what I wrote.

I said nothing about YOU, so stop making things up.


269 posted on 08/29/2006 8:13:14 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: wouldntbprudent
I use the processor for dough just to save time. If you run it for a minute it's kneaded, whereas I think handmade dough takes a 10-20 minutes of kneading.

This kind of cheese is just fresh curd, the first step for fresh mozzarella and other cheeses, without any salt or further processing. Great if you need to watch the sodium. It is a little bland, and it doesn't really melt, but I love the freshness, and the simplicity and economy. It keeps for a few days in the fridge, but is more like milk than cheese in how it keeps.

If you google homemade paneer you'll find lots of recipes for this.

270 posted on 08/29/2006 4:14:11 PM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Not just another dumb blonde

I wouldn't have any problem with a business adopting such policies, but the problem is they would be totally ineffective. Since medical records are protected information all the applicant would have to do is lie on his application and there would be no way to prove otherwise. If you're overweight on the other hand it's readily apparent and that's largely true of smokers too. Very few smokers can go 10 hours a day without a smoke and those that can probably aren't much of a health risk. Dopers can ussually be rooted out with piss tests.


271 posted on 08/29/2006 10:30:20 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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To: SupplySider

Trader Joes sells pizza dough for fairly cheap. It's $1 for enough dough to make one large pizza.

I haven't made dough from scratch, but I like the convenience of Trader Joe's dough.

(I know lots of people don't have a Trader Joe's nearby.)


272 posted on 08/30/2006 12:19:14 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: luckystarmom

I asked at a a local pizza place and they do this, too, only $1. Pretty cheap and really makes it fast. I am a health nut, though, and like to make my dough 50/50 whole wheat and white, and I like to save the buck also :)


273 posted on 08/30/2006 12:34:14 PM PDT by SupplySider
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