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Obesity? This is a job for Supernanny(neo soviet barf alert)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2088-2330255,00.html ^ | 8 27 06 | Minette Marrin

Posted on 08/28/2006 11:20:06 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Fat is not a feminist issue, as Susie Orbach once claimed. Fat is a class issue. Rich, educated people are not fat; you see almost no children in private schools who are overweight. Fatness and obesity are directly related to lower education and lower incomes. What is sad is that at a time when this country is richer than ever and ought to have better schools than ever, we have far more fat people than ever — a dangerous explosion of flab. Last week the Department of Health issued a report grimly called Forecasting Obesity to 2010 and its findings were grotesque. Within four years, it predicts, a third of all adults — 13m people — will be obese. So will 1m children

Obese means not just podgy, but dangerously, disablingly, distastefully fat, as in American fat.

This is not just shocking; it has also happened shockingly fast. As the report says, a third of all men will be obese by 2010; in 1993 the figure was only — if one can say only of such a large figure — 13%, rising to 24% in 2004.

The same is true of women, although the rate is rising more slowly; 16% were obese in 1993, 24% in 2004, and the trend is expected to rise until 2010. The proportion of boys who were obese stood at 17% in 2003 and is predicted to rise to 19% by 2010, while among girls it is expected to increase more swiftly from 16% to 22%.

This presents an awkward challenge to libertarians. The libertarian assumption is that we should all be free to do what we want, as far as possible, and if some people’s lifestyle choices involve snacking on deep-fried Mars bars and triple-processed cheeseburgers, other people have no business interfering, still less the government.

Besides, there is the embarrassing fact that those who eat and drink junk do so for cheap comfort and because they are either too poor or too ignorant (or both) to prepare healthy food. It doesn’t come well from the consumers of steamed organic asparagus and free-range ducks’ breasts to criticise those who can manage only frozen reconstituted chicken nuggets and sugary baked beans.

However, obesity does not concern only the obese. It concerns all of us. Obese parents produce obese children, and obesity places a crippling burden on the National Health Service, quite apart from the many personal miseries involved. Currently 10% of NHS resources are spent on diabetes (two-thirds of which is the avoidable type 2 associated with obesity) and this could easily double within the next four years to 20%.

This is quite apart from the increased risk among the obese of heart disease and other serious illness. More young people are being diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, something previously seen only in people over 40. In these circumstances even the most swivel-eyed libertarian would probably agree, for once, that something must be done and even perhaps by the government.

Curiously enough, however, in one of the few areas where our ever-intrusive government might for once justifiably intrude, new Labour does almost nothing. Possibly as a result of the ferocious lobbying of the food industry, ministers restrict themselves to making repetitive noises about healthy living and “small changes” that won’t cost anybody anything.

Tony Blair said last month that if the food industry did not agree to limit junk food advertisements by 2007 he would bring in mandatory rules, but he has said that before and more than once. Besides, why not bring them in straight away? His government has persistently ignored the demands of the Commons health select committee for a traffic light system of food labelling, enabling shoppers to make informed choices.

England’s chief medical officer warned in this year’s annual report that public health budgets were being raided to deal with deficits. That is the reality behind government talk of raising public awareness.

I have never been convinced that government health education has any effect. Despite the “five-a-day” campaign, only a quarter of people in England eat vegetables every day. About half of overweight men are in denial; they don’t see themselves as overweight, according to the report.

There is nothing complicated about being thin. Being fat is usually the result of eating too much junk food and taking too little exercise. Being thin means eating much less food, avoiding junk food altogether and taking exercise every day. It may be that nothing can be done about the plague of obesity; there is a growing epidemic in Europe and worldwide. Perhaps affluence is a disease to which only the fortunate few are immune. But if anything could be done about it, it would have to be radical.

Nobody who craves cheap comfort food will willingly give it up. But if over-processed, over-refined food and junk food were to become expensive while healthy fresh food became cheap — the opposite of the case today — people would be forced to eat well. This could be done through taxes or subsidies. Alternatively, you could ration unhealthy food.

There could be a public campaign against fattening food, just as there was against smoking, aimed at making everyone ashamed of consuming anything naughty but nice. I am just as greedy as anyone else but I have come to think of cakes, biscuits, crisps, sweets, white bread and puddings as more or less toxic. Foods like this should have health warnings — “cake can kill”. They are not just unnecessary, empty calories; they interfere with your blood sugar levels, affect your appetite and your mood; they may even induce food addiction. The same applies to alcohol: more than a modest amount makes you fat, interferes with your mood and is often addictive.

Just as there would need to be financial incentives to eat well, there should also be inducements to take exercise. The cost should be subsidised or declarable against tax. Employers should be required to give workers time off to go to the gym or jog. We could imitate the Japanese and have mass group exercises at work every day.

And that is the problem. Obesity, one of the trials of affluence, can be solved only, if at all, by the kind of interventionism that has been discredited by the failure of socialism. Liberty is indivisible; it belongs to the ignorant and the low paid just as much as to anyone else. Perhaps obesity is one of the many prices of liberty. Fat is a freedom issue.


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To: fortunecookie

If you shop at WalMart try the ground turkey chub (freezer case) for $1.36 a pound. Low fat and good in any ground beef recipe. Ten pound bags of chicken legs with thighs attached are under $5.00. Remove the skin and it's relatively low fat.

For healthy veggies, Great Value frozen veggies with no additives like fake butter sauce, etc. Cheap and as healthy as fresh. You can eat cheaply and well, but you have to look around and think outside the box.


101 posted on 08/28/2006 12:42:56 PM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: mplsconservative

I made a big vat of homemade beef stew just a few days ago. I like to use V-8 instead of tomato juice-seems to give it a better flavor and body.


102 posted on 08/28/2006 12:44:03 PM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: Xenalyte
Exactly!

A modest healthy diet or fresh vegetables, legumes, carbs (in moderation) and occasional small portions of poultry and meats would be inexpensive and ... well.. healthy!
103 posted on 08/28/2006 12:44:09 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Verloona Ti
Space Food Sticks. (One out of three of those words is correct)

They were basically a starchy Tootsie roll, less chewy. (I would guess that corn starch and corn syrup were the primary ingredients.) Their only redeeming quality (to a kid) was that they were sweet.

I don't remember hating them, but I certainly don't remember begging for them a second time.
104 posted on 08/28/2006 12:45:40 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Gabz
"A home cooked healthy meal can be accomplished often in less than 30 minutes."

About once every 10 days, I run production on 3 main courses, cooking up enough to last through a good many meals. For example, this might consist of spaghetti sauce, seafood Alfredo and chicken marsala. One portion of each goes into the frig, the remaining portions into the freezer. In the morning, I pick which one I want, let it thaw during the day then microwave it later. Rice microwaves fast and so do potatoes. A thawed half-slab of pork ribs broils in about 20 minutes. Baby backs are even faster. While things are heating or cooking, I'm free to do something else until the timer goes off. Want your fruits and veggies fast? All you need is a blender, juicer or food processor. I have them all. There's just no excuse for not eating well at home.

105 posted on 08/28/2006 12:46:28 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Overtaxed

Three words: rice and beans.

Too many carbs. :)



Not if you have brown rice, and go heavy on the beans.


106 posted on 08/28/2006 12:46:51 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: freepatriot32

Does this mean that Fat Momma will win on "Who Wants To Be A Superhero"?


107 posted on 08/28/2006 12:47:09 PM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: Beelzebubba

Pizza is actually the perfect example of a complete meal.........all the food groups are represented.

I actually thought about making it tonight.......but opted instead for chicken livers. Maybe I'll do pizza tomorrow.


108 posted on 08/28/2006 12:47:23 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: freepatriot32
Obesity? This is a job for Supernanny

No offense, but has this person actually seen what Jo Frost looks like?

109 posted on 08/28/2006 12:47:26 PM PDT by RichInOC ("You've been very naughty!")
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To: Verloona Ti

I do the same thing. :)

When I'm craving heat, I'll even use the spicy V-8. Ooo-la-la!


110 posted on 08/28/2006 12:48:11 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Verloona Ti
"I didn't see anyone who appeared morbidly obese or much more than 40 pounds overweight-men and women alike."

Well, of course you didn't see them. They were all at home, gobbling Hagen Daz and watching the day soaps, while their copies of "Sweatin To The Oldies" moldered on the shelf. ;-)

111 posted on 08/28/2006 12:49:00 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: maryz

Sorry. I meant to ask what is your proposed budget for poor families. Apologies for seeming to pry into your personal budget.


112 posted on 08/28/2006 12:49:21 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: steve-b
Bravo Sierra! I can get the ingredients for a LARGE (a dozen servings) bowl of healthy fresh chicken-vegetable soup for the price of one jumbo grease meal at Mickey D's.

One solution would be to get rid of the Food Stamp program and go back to giving out commoditites.

When I was a kid, we had a family down the street that would be called "dysfunctional" today. The dad was in prison, the mother was an alcoholic, the older brother did heroin and the older sister was a streetwalker. The kid my age was my best friend and you couldn't ask for a nicer or more polite kid.

Every month this family received government commodities - flour, powdered milk and eggs, peanut butter, honey, cocoa, canned Spam product, margarine, oatmeal, dried beans, potatos, onions and others. As a kid I was fixated on the large tin of peanut butter - I couldn't understand why I couldn't get one.

Back then poor people had no choice but to prepare food from scratch.

The grocery industry helped get the Food Stamp program started. A grocery store makes just as much profit on a cart full of groceries whether you pay cash for it or use Food Stamps. In the days of commoditites - the grocery industry got nothing from the poor - since they were given food directly.

Maybe we should think about returning to the days of direct food distribution.

I know the ACLU would have a hissy fit since the poor have the "right" to purchase whatever food they desire (as long as us working stiffs are paying the bills).

I get very tired (as many others do) of standing in line at the grocery cashier and seeing the person in front of me pay for pop, chips, ice cream, cookies, frozen pizzas and T-bone steaks with Food Stamps (or now with the Electronic Benefits Card), while I'm buying whatever's on sale that week.

113 posted on 08/28/2006 12:49:35 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: elmer fudd

Where do you get the idea that if someone is overweight or a smoker they don't work as hard as someone else? I thought a person was hired due to their being able to do the job? Silly me. I am a smoker and when I worked I put 150% into my job. And alot of non-smokers couldn't hold a candle to me as far as my health was concerned. But then I did eat right and got plenty of exercise.


114 posted on 08/28/2006 12:50:19 PM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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To: Beelzebubba

Hehehe...

I guess everybody's not on Phase I.


115 posted on 08/28/2006 12:51:09 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: mplsconservative

It can't smell as bad as my dad's homemade sauerkraut. The only things that could clear our house were Dad making sauerkraut, and Mom giving me a perm.

One time Mom and Dad launched into an odor offensive - Mom was perming me and Dad decided he HAD TO MAKE SAUERKRAUT RIGHT THIS SECOND - and my eyes still water when I think about that.

We had to open all the windows, and that is a project not lightly undertaken on a 100-degree summer day in Houston.


116 posted on 08/28/2006 12:52:29 PM PDT by Xenalyte (No one will be sitting in sackcloth and ashes wailing, "Oh, if only we had listened to Art Bell!")
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To: freepatriot32
"Rich, educated people are not fat"

How about the rich and stupid? (miserable failure)

117 posted on 08/28/2006 12:53:24 PM PDT by weegee (Remember "Remember the Maine"? Well in the current war "Remember the Baby Milk Factory")
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To: mplsconservative

Thankfully no one in my house thinks cauliflower stinks......it is about one of my favorite veggies.


118 posted on 08/28/2006 12:54:29 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: PCBMan

Well for me, hitting a fast food restaurant is a rare treat. I usually spend less than a dollar fifty per person per meal.


119 posted on 08/28/2006 12:55:55 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: Froufrou

Why are your posts about Hispanic people?

And beans are good for you.


120 posted on 08/28/2006 12:57:32 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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