Posted on 08/28/2006 6:31:13 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
The Holocaust wasn't Hitler's fault. Darwin made him do it. Complicit as well are any who buy into the scientific theory that modern man evolved from lower animal forms.
That's the latest lunacy from one of our more fanatical right-wing American Christian television outfits, the Coral Ridge Ministries in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
Coral Ridge espouses that America is not a free-religion nation, but a Christian one. It argues there should be no separation of church and state.
Thus it's America's Taliban, America's Shiite theocracy.
It certainly has a propensity for explaining or excusing Hitler. A few years ago it brought in a conference speaker to argue that American abortion was a more horrible atrocity than the Holocaust.
One year it disinvited Cal Thomas as a conference speaker after Brother Cal got too liberal. You're thinking I must be kidding. But I kid you not. Brother Cal had displayed the utter audacity to co-author a book contending that American Christian conservatives ought to worry a little more about spreading the gospel from the bottom of the culture up rather than from the top of politics down.
Now this: Coral Ridge is airing a couple of cable installments of a "documentary," called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy," that seek to make a case that, without Darwin, there could have been no Hitler.
Authoritative sources for the program include no less than columnist Ann Coulter, noted scientist, who says she is outraged that she didn't get instructed in Darwin's effective creation of Hitler when she was in school. She says she has since come to understand that Hitler was merely a Darwinist trying, by extermination of a group of people he considered inferior because of their religion and heritage, to "hurry along" the natural survival of the Aryan fittest.
Also quoted is Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Project, who tells the Anti-Defamation League that his comments were used out of context and that he is "absolutely appalled" by the "utterly misguided and inflammatory" premise of Coral Ridge's report.
The documentary's theme is really quite simple: Darwin propounded the theory of evolution. Hitler came along and believed the theory. Hitler killed Jews. So, blame Darwin for the Holocaust. Blame, too, all others who agree with or advance Darwin's theory. Get back to God and Adam and Eve and all will be right again with the world.
"To put it simply, no Darwin, no Hitler," said Dr. D. James Kennedy, president of Coral Ridge Ministries. "The legacy of Charles Darwin is millions of deaths."
Obviously, the theme is breath-taking nonsense. You can't equate academic theory with murderous practice. You can't equate a thinker and a madman, or science and crime.
And you can't ever blame one man for another's actions. That once was a proud conservative precept. In a different context, you'll no doubt find Coral Ridge fervently preaching personal responsibility. Except, apparently, for Adolf Hitler, to whom these religious kooks issue a pass. Ol' Adolf, it seems, just fell in with a bad crowd.
By Coral Ridge's premise, Mohammed is to blame for Osama bin Laden. Actually, Coral Ridge might not argue with that. So how about this: The pope is to blame for the IRA. And Jesus is to blame for Mel Gibson, not to mention Coral Ridge Ministries.
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Which explains the designated hitter rule.
Damn that Darwin!
Plato wasn't talking about "animal husbandry." But that's okay, it was probably Darwin's fault anyway.
The Republic, Book 5, Section 1. Plato specifically recommended state-supervised selective breeding of children.
"But that's okay, it was probably Darwin's fault anyway."
If you say so. FRevos are the only ones perpetuating this anachronism.
While I agree that the eugenicists are wrong in a moral sense, I must disagree with your claim that evolution does not support the idea of "better" as eugenicists proclaim it. However, evolution gives us a relative convept of "better," because it is explicitly a (local) optimization process. Indeed, it's not really possible to use the theory of evolution to explain evolved traits without a concept of "better."
It's also really not convincing to say that eugenics isn't "evolutionary" just because it claims to see an evolutionary trend and seeks to emphasize it. It's like saying that, because the aerodynamics of airplanes have gone where no birds have gone, aircraft design has no contact with the aerodynamics of birds. In both cases -- eugenics and aerodynamics -- the natural and man-made effects both rely on the same underlying principles.
Yup the designated hitter rule just sort of evolved. LOL
True.
I construed the stimulus as seemed fitting to me given the response the whole thing triggered in me.
My choice. I agree. My construction on that reality.
What a hoot. I assert that Ann Coultier did a good showing the link between Hitler's Nazi beliefs and Darwin's "survival of the fittest" and now, all of a sudden, and just as I said you are doing by looking for a fight, I am supposed to prove something to you.
LOL, I won't be worrying about loss of sleep here.
The way you are coming at me leads me to believe you have issues with Coultier, those who believe in Biblical creation, or you just enjoy friction.
I say Darwin was responsible for both the National League and the American League.While at the same time, it explains why pitchers are forced to get up & embarrass themselves every couple innings. Damn that Darwin!Which explains the designated hitter rule.
Damn that Darwin!
There probably is some variation in type and level of intelligence among the races, but as I said before, the difference is not very great, and it is a difference in the average. Even if a race's average IQ is a few points lower than another's there are a good many people in that race with intelligence higher than a lot of members of the other race. Additionally, there isn't a lot of reason for thinking that intelligence is responsible for good morals (beyond a certain minimal level that is required for proper understanding of consequences and thus impulse control). As you mentioned, it appears that some groups of Asians test higher in average intelligence than caucasians, yet Communist China is not known for its excellent human rights track record. It often seems that being smart doesn't make a person more virtuous, just better at getting away with vice.
You mention sub-Saharan Africa and its lousy state. I agree with you that part of that is due to culture. However, a lot of it is due to environment (and indeed culture is tangled up with environment). There's an interesting book called Guns, Germs, and Steel that talks about various factors that are responsible for the rise and fall of civilizations. We probably owe our current status in the world more to the humble wheat plant, our domesticated livestock, and the availability of various metals than to our relative racial intelligence distribution. The problem in Africa would probably be better handled by fighting the endemic diseases prevalent there (especially AIDs, which is shifting the demographics dramatically towards a younger age, which isn't really good for civilized life in any population), reforming corrupt governments, and assuring ownership of private property rather than by selective breeding programs for higher intelligence.
Another oversimplification of this evolutionary approach to racism is the assumption that race is easily determined solely by skin color. In actuality skin color is a pretty lousy way of splitting people into groups with shared genetic traits. If you look at blacks in Africa, for instance, there are many groups with noticeable differences. Caucasians also can be split into multiple groups, as can Asians and any other racial group you choose to examine.
There are those who say that race is an obsolete construct. I disagree solely because races and subraces indicate the presence of different gene pools (although I'm completely in favor of them getting as mixed up as they like) with alleles of differing frequencies, and many of these alleles are significant because they may be responsible for tendencies towards certain diseases. If we are aware of this, we can take action to prevent the development of these diseases or begin early treatment. For instance, many Asian women tend to have more visceral fat than women of other races, and are at a higher risk for heart disease than women of other races with the same body mass index. Some small groups in certain races are so inbred as to warrant consideration as a separate subrace, such as the Amish, who are increasingly developing health problems rare in the larger population. Interestingly, there is a lot of evidence to show that considering all blacks a single race is a mistake since blacks have the highest allelic variation of any race. This is evidence that the out of Africa model is correct since it shows that the African population has been there breeding and accumulating new alleles for a long time while other races went through relatively recent bottlenecks, supposedly when they descended from small groups of people who left Africa. Amusingly this provides an argument that whites are inferior to blacks because whites are comparatively inbred!
I do think that Darwin had some idea of evolution as a directional process, probably residual from his earlier Christian beliefs (seeing life as a process of sanctification). Just because Darwin pioneered the theory of evolution does not mean that his philosophical assumptions and conclusions were scientifically grounded! Indeed, science is a bad beginning for philosophy as a general rule. . .
OK. The NAZIs seem to have been the less fit. (They fit hard against Russia, but God seems to be on the side of the big battalions, even if they are Communists.)
"qui tacet consentire"
Creationism is a cosmology of peace.
That's an interesting way to spot a religion.
LOL!
Actually, there are a lot of facts (including entire disciplines that were utterly unknown in Darwin's time, such as genetics) that support the theory of evolution. That's why you get asked for a bucket of facts.
What's more, the doctrines that came to be called "Social Darwinism" were developed by Herbert Spencer years before Spencer knew anything of Darwin's ideas about evolution. Spencer claimed that he derived his "universal principle of evolution" (which Spencer most definitely did think applicable to society) from the laws of thermodynamics.
No Lord Kelvin, no Hitler!
True enough. However the EXISTING fossil links would fill a stadium. There's doubtless some fossil bones (say the skull of the four-legged whale, Basilosaurus isis) that you probably couldn't even lift.
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