America's Taliban strikes again

Arkansas News Bureau ^ | 28 August 2006 | John Brummett

[PatrickHenry]

The Holocaust wasn't Hitler's fault. Darwin made him do it. Complicit as well are any who buy into the scientific theory that modern man evolved from lower animal forms.

That's the latest lunacy from one of our more fanatical right-wing American Christian television outfits, the Coral Ridge Ministries in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

Coral Ridge espouses that America is not a free-religion nation, but a Christian one. It argues there should be no separation of church and state.

Thus it's America's Taliban, America's Shiite theocracy.

It certainly has a propensity for explaining or excusing Hitler. A few years ago it brought in a conference speaker to argue that American abortion was a more horrible atrocity than the Holocaust.

One year it disinvited Cal Thomas as a conference speaker after Brother Cal got too liberal. You're thinking I must be kidding. But I kid you not. Brother Cal had displayed the utter audacity to co-author a book contending that American Christian conservatives ought to worry a little more about spreading the gospel from the bottom of the culture up rather than from the top of politics down.

Now this: Coral Ridge is airing a couple of cable installments of a "documentary," called "Darwin's Deadly Legacy," that seek to make a case that, without Darwin, there could have been no Hitler.

Authoritative sources for the program include no less than columnist Ann Coulter, noted scientist, who says she is outraged that she didn't get instructed in Darwin's effective creation of Hitler when she was in school. She says she has since come to understand that Hitler was merely a Darwinist trying, by extermination of a group of people he considered inferior because of their religion and heritage, to "hurry along" the natural survival of the Aryan fittest.

Also quoted is Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Project, who tells the Anti-Defamation League that his comments were used out of context and that he is "absolutely appalled" by the "utterly misguided and inflammatory" premise of Coral Ridge's report.

The documentary's theme is really quite simple: Darwin propounded the theory of evolution. Hitler came along and believed the theory. Hitler killed Jews. So, blame Darwin for the Holocaust. Blame, too, all others who agree with or advance Darwin's theory. Get back to God and Adam and Eve and all will be right again with the world.

"To put it simply, no Darwin, no Hitler," said Dr. D. James Kennedy, president of Coral Ridge Ministries. "The legacy of Charles Darwin is millions of deaths."

Obviously, the theme is breath-taking nonsense. You can't equate academic theory with murderous practice. You can't equate a thinker and a madman, or science and crime.

And you can't ever blame one man for another's actions. That once was a proud conservative precept. In a different context, you'll no doubt find Coral Ridge fervently preaching personal responsibility. Except, apparently, for Adolf Hitler, to whom these religious kooks issue a pass. Ol' Adolf, it seems, just fell in with a bad crowd.

By Coral Ridge's premise, Mohammed is to blame for Osama bin Laden. Actually, Coral Ridge might not argue with that. So how about this: The pope is to blame for the IRA. And Jesus is to blame for Mel Gibson, not to mention Coral Ridge Ministries.

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[Dimensio]

But in the case of Darwin, as with Marx, there is a specific logic to their ideas which lends itself to the sort of misuse (if it is misuse...) that later occurred.

In what way can a description of events in biological systems be "misused"?

[RustMartialis]

Fact is, nazi racism had roots that went down into multiple soils. But all those soils had this is common: They were found in hearts that disbelieved the clear words and teaching of the Bible.

Nonsense, the Bible was used to justify racism and anti-Semitism for centuries.

Look up the Hamitic Myth and how the Baptist Church only got around to apologizing for supporting slavery in 1995 for examples. Or try Luther's lovely rants.

--R.

[Phosgood]

"post 11 appears to advocate killing those who disagree"...

one can be removed from the GENE pool without being killed. Child molesters and rapist could be "surgically improved" without killing them.

>..< ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!

[Jeff Head]

Notice, in my post I did not take any issue whatsover with you and others calling the original statment. I just indicated that the poster had, in my estimation, retracted in post 53 and post 76 and that the retraction was good enough for me. The rest was simply free advise.

[Jeff Head]

Perhaps so...but I had to respond just the same.

[RobbyS]

If Darwin had not existed, Wallace would have published, and MAYBE have achieved the same prominence, with much the same theory. But Darwin did exist and he was made a symbol of a rising scientism and a class of lay scientists who replaced the clerical amateurs like thge Bishop of Oxford in the chairs of the scientific socities. The scientist Darwin--his work has been superceded, But the symbol "Darwin" remains as the counterpart of the "Bible." and more as a ratification of German philosophy than of biology. As for Darwin the man, he was perfect for the role, since he was quite unphilosophical and conventional, and was content to let more articulate men like Huxley "puff his reputation.

[Skooz]

Now you've done it.

You've made me cry. I hope you're happy about it.

[EternalVigilance]

It was based on philosophical beliefs.

"Philosphical beliefs" almost entirely grounded in a Christian worldview, understanding of history and science, and the nature of man.

[Wallace T.]

If there are ignorant prejudices posted in FR, they come from liberals and psuedo-conservatives who attempt to smuggle in leftist ideology as historical interpretation. The particular point is the theory that Adolf Hitler and National Socialism derive from traditional Christianity and mainstream Western culture.

In 1960, liberals and "me-too" Republicans (the RINOs of that day) would sneer at the likes of Barry Goldwater or William Buckley by saying that George Lincoln Rockwell (head of the American Nazi Party) or Robert Shelton (head of a large Ku Klux Klan faction) were just like Goldwater or Buckley, just more enthusiastic. In our time, their heirs attempt to establish the same connection between David Duke and Ann Coulter or Tom Tancredo. Liberals and RINOs have a vested interest in linking American conservatism with fascist and white supremacist beliefs in order to discredit their opponents.

In fact, American conservatism derives from the political and philosophical principles of the founders of this republic, which derived from a combination of Christian (especially Calvinist) beliefs and Enlightenment philosophy. American conservatism is in essence classical liberalism. Modern liberals are essentially secular humanists and moderate socialists who operate under false pretenses.

The facts are that the National Socialist ideology and the personal beliefs of Hitler derived from a mixture of neo-paganism, eugenics (a corrupted form of Darwinism), a version of Nietzschean philosophy, and socialism smuggled in from Marxist and utopian socialist sources. Quoting some liberal Anglican archbishop hardly proves a connection between the Holocaust and orthodox Christianity.

As for Dr. Kennedy, he is a teaching elder in the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), a conservative, Bible-believing denomination that is opposed to homosexual marriages, abortion, euthanasia, and other perversions. The PCA stands in sharp contrast with the Presbyterian Church, USA, which has apostatized from orthodox Christianity and Biblical teachings at the denominational level.

[DoctorMichael]

.......is this a joke?????......

It would be amusing if these people weren't so hell-bent on destroying and discrediting the Conservative Movement. Its now gone way beyond that.

Once it was merely pathetic. Presently its gone towards downright dangerous.

[Senator Bedfellow]

Sure, sure.

I gave up a long time ago on instilling a sense of moderation in the righteous. For me, it's enough that others see what's going on. I'll leave that to the record as it stands, so you can have the last word, if you like.

[EternalVigilance]

Nonsense, the Bible was used to justify racism and anti-Semitism for centuries.

While that may be correct, your underlying premise is false. Why? Because, while they may have tried to do so, that isn't what the Bible teaches.

The equality of all men and women, slave or free, before God, is a New Testament principle.

And the fact that God loves Israel and isn't done with her is quite transparent as well.

Lies are lies, and they have real world consequences, whether they are propagated by Charles Darwin or Martin Luther.

[Skooz]

Where would the funding come from, church offerings or taxes levied by your idealized church-run state?

That's a matter for the accountants to work out.

I would prefer a levy on all slaves owned by the Hierarchy. But, they grumble under the weight of the taxation as it is.

We'll work on the details later. I have to get myself elected Spectre, first. One thing at a time.

[Skooz]

You really think I want to kill people?

Are you that deranged?

[EternalVigilance]

An absolutely stellar post!

[DoctorMichael]

........a direct, intelligent decision on His part to do so........

I guess you're right! Go here!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............

http://www.rael.org/rael_content/rael_summary.php

The Designers have been here!

I read it on the Internet therefore it must be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Bible says so too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........

Lets all get together and get this into our Godless Public School System as a viable alternative to what the Godless Evilutionists profess!!!!!!!!

Who's with me?

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[Moose4]

All I'm saying is that if he's trying to refute Kennedy's arguments, leading off by calling Coral Ridge Ministries "America's Taliban" is a really lousy way to do it. He goes to the ad hominem argument so fast, he looks like he's got nothing but slurs and attacks instead of a reasoned refutation.

From what (little) I know about Hitler, anyway, he got his racial theories from people that were contemporaries of, or even slightly before, Darwin. H.S. Chamberlain and the Frenchman Gobineau, for two examples. He took their theories of the superiority of the Aryan and the inferiority of the Semite and added the violent German nationalism he felt as an Austrian youth, then mixed it all together while he was a bum in Vienna before World War I. I don't know whether Darwin had any direct impact on Hitler or not, or whether Hitler himself even read Darwin. There were enough racialists out there that Hitler could've quite easily picked up his theory on eugenics without even hearing of Charles Darwin.

I want facts taught as facts, theory taught as theory. Give kids the facts and the various theories behind them, and let them reason things out. So in that respect I guess the hardcore evolutionists around here think I'm some sort of weird Amish Luddite or something. But, to draw a direct line between Darwin and Hitler? That's too much of a stretch. Racial superiority theories and especially anti-Semitism far pre-dated Darwin.

}:-)4 }:-)4

[no dems]

...gutter cultists...

I'm not defending the Coral Ridge remarks but I have two questions:

(1) What's the difference in a "gutter" cultist and a "regular" cultist?

(2) Which category would Tom Cruise fit into?

[EternalVigilance]

That post adds nothing of value to the discussion.

[Skooz]

That post adds nothing of value to the discussion.

LOL! As if that matters on this thread. Discussion? Are you serious?