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To: Smokin' Joe
I reiterate. We would all be better off if the money which has been pissed away trying to convince people of the obvious,to wit: 'that cigarettes are bad for you', had been, was being, and would be in the future, spent on basic research into curing cancer.

I didn't miss it, I just have no reason to think that your OPINION is correct. I happen to think that many, many young people have actually taken the warnings to heart and avoided starting a terrible habit. I readily concede that many others have not.

Maybe you feel safe from cancer as a nonsmoker or as someone who is never around smoke from cigarettes. I am happy for you.

I do not, so much for that. Safer? As in "not as likely to have the same health issues as smokers",,,maybe. But I was a heavy smoker for a long time and do not have any illusions that I quit soon enough or that I am safe now even though I quit 18 years ago. I also am not self-righteous or a "reformed whore". I am not a smoking Nazi, I regularly go to places where people smoke. But if you care about yourself, your health, your family,,,,it is a stupid thing to do. I was stupid, now I am less stupid.

Tremendous numbers of people who have never smoked have died of cancer.

You are rationalizing your habit, not making logical arguments.

Many of them before tobacco was introduced to Europeans. When tobacco is gone people will still get cancer. All sorts of cancer, not just lung cancer.

Ya think????? Lung cancer rates are higher among smokers, period. I have never heard anyone make the case that it would disappear or wouldn't exist in the absence of smoking. So you just made a classic straw-man argument.

No one called anyone the names you cited or vilified anyone so the same applies, Straw-man.

It's not evil to smoke, just stupid, and selfish. You aren't a villain, you are a dummy.

And the lung cancer is just one health issue, maybe the least. But it's just the most terrifying to most people who understand that 85% of all lung cancer is metastatic at the time of discovery. That is almost always a death sentence.

73 posted on 08/28/2006 8:21:05 AM PDT by Protagoras (Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas)
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To: Protagoras

"Lung cancer rates are higher among smokers, period."

Not true if you ar a uranium miner - those that smoked less than 10 a day had less lung cancer than nonsmokers


83 posted on 08/28/2006 9:28:09 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Protagoras
Yep you missed it. Completely and totally missed it, over your head, gone, out past the cheap seats of your 'lofty' brain.

Once again.. If the research money that has been expended on all the redundant studies which reached the preordained conclusion that 'cigarettes are bad' for you had been spent on research into finding a cure for cancer, we might even be there by now.

Not cut and paste butchery, not zapping someone with radiation, and not poisoning the person, but killing the specific cells which are multiplying uncontrollably.

Find a cancer cure, then it does not matter if you get cancer, and it does not matter why. It could even be from a virus. Get it???

Whether it be from the formaldehyde in your carpet, the flouride in your water, picking your nose in the freeway, the cause does not matter because you can be cured.

Nope you are so hung up on feeling all superior about having quit smoking YOU try to distort my point as being pro tobacco, rather than pro cancer cure.

One last time. Spend the money on good, basic cancer research, not pissing around with billboards and dubious computer models, but find a cure, not a remedy, a cure, something which will benefit everyone, (not just those who despite all social villification, being treated like a second-class citizen, and putting up with the tedious self-righteous rants of ex- and anti-smokers, just might take up the evil habit).

92 posted on 08/28/2006 10:18:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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