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To: livius; sauropod
What I am not seeing in this thread, either, is how far most of us would feel it was okay to go in publicly denying our principles, religious or not.

If you didn't see it, I did. Submitting to anything is GOOD to do if it saves your life. And that's how they will beat us.

When I was an adolescent girl, I had a pinup of Bobby Sherman on my bedroom wall. Palestianian girls have pinups of shaheeds. Parents want their little boys to be martyrs. They think we have more to fear from their toddlers then they have to fear from our grown men. Episodes like this confirm their thinking. They don't care that the conversion wasn't real. The only important thing to them is that they could force adult Western men to SUBMIT and declare something they didn't believe, and that's definitely what they have in mind for the rest of us. Islam does mean submission

I think this question is going to come to many of us, Christian or not, before too long, when Islam makes its all-out assault or when we find ourselves living in a country that has become Muslim by demographics.

Yes, and it's becoming obvious that when push comes to shove, most are going to choose to submit.

I'd like to thank you for your posts on this thread; my husband and I have both admired them.

1,095 posted on 08/27/2006 5:34:26 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: hellinahandcart
They don't care that the conversion wasn't real. The only important thing to them is that they could force adult Western men to SUBMIT and declare something they didn't believe, and that's definitely what they have in mind for the rest of us. Islam does mean submission

I have been trying to figure out 'why'. I thought it was a way to 'save face'. Your explanation is another possibility, and just might be the correct one. They made them submit and showed the tape to the world.

1,101 posted on 08/27/2006 5:51:17 PM PDT by ET(end tyranny)
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Thank you. And I agree, most will submit. This happened in Spain, in Turkey, and anyplace Islam has gone; people submit because they feel it really doesn't make a big difference and they'll stay alive. And then they find out that it actually makes an enormous difference - but it's too late to take back that submission.


1,113 posted on 08/27/2006 6:33:51 PM PDT by livius
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