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2 Lodi residents refused entry back into U.S.
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | August 26, 2006 | Demian Bulwa

Posted on 08/26/2006 8:07:24 PM PDT by Mount Athos

The federal government has barred two relatives of a Lodi man convicted of supporting terrorists from returning to the country after a lengthy stay in Pakistan, placing the U.S. citizens in an extraordinary legal limbo.

Muhammad Ismail, a 45-year-old naturalized citizen born in Pakistan, and his 18-year-old son, Jaber Ismail, who was born in the United States, have not been charged with a crime. However, they are the uncle and cousin of Hamid Hayat, a 23-year-old Lodi cherry packer who was convicted in April of supporting terrorists by attending a Pakistani training camp.

Federal authorities said Friday that the men, both Lodi residents, would not be allowed back into the country unless they agreed to FBI interrogations in Pakistan. An attorney representing the family said agents have asked whether the younger Ismail trained in terrorist camps in Pakistan.

The men and three relatives had been in Pakistan for more than four years and tried to return to the United States on April 21 as a federal jury in Sacramento deliberated Hayat's fate. But they were pulled aside during a layover in Hong Kong and told there was a problem with their passports, said Julia Harumi Mass, their attorney.

The father and son were forced to pay for a flight back to Islamabad because they were on the government's "no-fly" list, Mass said. Muhammad Ismail's wife, teenage daughter and younger son, who were not on the list, continued on to the United States.

Neither Muhammad nor Jaber Ismail holds dual Pakistani citizenship, Mass said.

"We haven't heard about this happening -- U.S. citizens being refused the right to return from abroad without any charges or any basis," said Mass, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; aliens; hamidhayat; hayat; immigrantlist; jaberismail; lodi; lodicell; muhammadismail; terrorists; theyarepakistanis; umerhayat; yourpapersplease
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To: P-40

Perhaps they should take a boat? They can't FLY into the USA or anywhere inside the country.


41 posted on 08/26/2006 8:50:00 PM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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To: Dov in Houston
"And although at times we do not understand the workings of the American Legal system I have faith in it...Are they hiding something and if not answer a few questions and be done with it. "

No, you do not have faith in our system. The Fifth Amendment allows them to do exactly what they did. If there are charges against them then they would need to be brought to trial.
42 posted on 08/26/2006 8:50:04 PM PDT by ndt
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To: investigateworld

The very first line of the article says they are relatives of someone CONVICTED in Lodi of helping terrorists!!! That's how they got on the "no fly" list I would suspect...


43 posted on 08/26/2006 8:50:22 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm voting on everything except CA Governor this year cause there's NOTHING to vote "for"!!!)
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To: kinoxi

scram mohammed


44 posted on 08/26/2006 8:50:37 PM PDT by shadowcat
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To: ndt
The constitutional rights of a U.S. citizens are not abridged by the declaration of war

Presidents Lincoln and Roosevelt thought otherwise and the USSC agreed.

45 posted on 08/26/2006 8:52:08 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Jubal Harshaw

They declared almost unanimously the nearly unlimited use of force!!! You are gittin all het up over nuthin!!!


46 posted on 08/26/2006 8:54:21 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm voting on everything except CA Governor this year cause there's NOTHING to vote "for"!!!)
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To: ndt

If there were charges they would be in Gitmo or HCSD. There were "suspicions and reasons" and they declined to be interviewed.

No Charges=No Detention

And if you will not answer why you want in my house=GO AWAY

All they had to do was answer some interrogative questions.

The safety of America is at stake. Ask as many questions as you want


47 posted on 08/26/2006 8:54:25 PM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: Jubal Harshaw

If they are already on the no-fly list, it would seem some due process has already occurred and this is not simply the work of one government servant. Don't forget the defense is free to say whatever they want but the government does not have the same luxury in, especially in national security cases, won't let out details even if they could. We're not getting the full story yet, nor should we at this time.


48 posted on 08/26/2006 8:56:48 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Tom Gallagher - the anti-Crist [FL Governor, 2006 primary])
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To: SierraWasp

You've got to be bigot for pointing out such blatant facts.


50 posted on 08/26/2006 8:59:59 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: SierraWasp

Since the ACLU is involved, don't ever let them back!


51 posted on 08/26/2006 9:00:10 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: ndt
The constitutional rights of a U.S. citizens are not abridged by the declaration of war.

Tell that to George Takei, and a whole heaping, helping of other Japanese Americans.

52 posted on 08/26/2006 9:00:56 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: investigateworld
"Presidents Lincoln and Roosevelt thought otherwise and the USSC agreed."

By Lincoln I assume you are referring to the suspension of habeas corpus which was ruled illegal in Ex parte Merryman.

By Roosevelt I assume you are referring to the internment of Japanese citizens, one of the darkest chapters in American history in my opinion. That was the result of an Executive Order (9066) and nothing like that exists in this case.
53 posted on 08/26/2006 9:01:11 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ironpuppy

Answer to your question: none of your business.

I don't remember posting a question to you however I might have clicked on post reply in the wrong spot.

Question pleae: Does your wife satisfy you sexually?

No I am divorced, single and love it. The Gal I date wants to change it but I'm fine here.

Have you ever driven after drinking alcohol?

No I drink at home if I ever drink.

Can you please email me a picture of your children?

Is your photo album that large, I have 9. Send me an email address and I'll fill your album

I mean, as long as we have nothing to hide, than no biggie, right?

And no sir I have nothing to hide. I am what I am and I call em as I see em and if I offended you while responding to another poster (hit the wrong post reply button) I apologize


54 posted on 08/26/2006 9:01:32 PM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: NonValueAdded
If they are already on the no-fly list, it would seem some due process has already occurred . . . .

You cannot be serious. The legal definition of the term "due process" means precisely the opposite of what you are suggesting. Did you possibly mean "due diligence?"

55 posted on 08/26/2006 9:02:40 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Dov in Houston
"And if you will not answer why you want in my house=GO AWAY "

The U.S. is their home, they are citizens. They are being denied access to their own house to your your analogy.

"The safety of America is at stake. Ask as many questions as you want"

America was created by the Constitution, you do not protect something by destroying it.
56 posted on 08/26/2006 9:03:51 PM PDT by ndt
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To: kinoxi; davidtalker
Wull, heck yes!!! I'm a politically incorrect, red necked, bigoted, prejudiced, hard headed conservative American traditionalist who still believes in America's exceptionalism and supremacy in being generous and good hearted until ANYBODY screws with our innocent citizens by beheading and mass murdering them in sneaky cowardly fashions with the ACLU, the Democrats and even some of you FReepers tryin to help 'em get away with it!!!

Screw That!!!

57 posted on 08/26/2006 9:06:30 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm voting on everything except CA Governor this year cause there's NOTHING to vote "for"!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
they are relatives of someone CONVICTED in Lodi of helping terrorists!!!

And who also TOLD the FBI that the younger one, at least, had attended the SAME TRAINING CAMP THAT HE HAD.

Just odd to me, is that the kid, at 14, had to go to Pakistan to 'study the Koranus' for 4 years, when there is an Islamic Center etc in Lodi, that would have been overjoyed to teach him.

59 posted on 08/26/2006 9:07:35 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ndt
The constitutional rights of a U.S. citizens are not abridged by the declaration of war.

Someone should notify Abe Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt.
60 posted on 08/26/2006 9:07:45 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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