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2 Lodi residents refused entry back into U.S.
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | August 26, 2006 | Demian Bulwa

Posted on 08/26/2006 8:07:24 PM PDT by Mount Athos

The federal government has barred two relatives of a Lodi man convicted of supporting terrorists from returning to the country after a lengthy stay in Pakistan, placing the U.S. citizens in an extraordinary legal limbo.

Muhammad Ismail, a 45-year-old naturalized citizen born in Pakistan, and his 18-year-old son, Jaber Ismail, who was born in the United States, have not been charged with a crime. However, they are the uncle and cousin of Hamid Hayat, a 23-year-old Lodi cherry packer who was convicted in April of supporting terrorists by attending a Pakistani training camp.

Federal authorities said Friday that the men, both Lodi residents, would not be allowed back into the country unless they agreed to FBI interrogations in Pakistan. An attorney representing the family said agents have asked whether the younger Ismail trained in terrorist camps in Pakistan.

The men and three relatives had been in Pakistan for more than four years and tried to return to the United States on April 21 as a federal jury in Sacramento deliberated Hayat's fate. But they were pulled aside during a layover in Hong Kong and told there was a problem with their passports, said Julia Harumi Mass, their attorney.

The father and son were forced to pay for a flight back to Islamabad because they were on the government's "no-fly" list, Mass said. Muhammad Ismail's wife, teenage daughter and younger son, who were not on the list, continued on to the United States.

Neither Muhammad nor Jaber Ismail holds dual Pakistani citizenship, Mass said.

"We haven't heard about this happening -- U.S. citizens being refused the right to return from abroad without any charges or any basis," said Mass, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; aliens; hamidhayat; hayat; immigrantlist; jaberismail; lodi; lodicell; muhammadismail; terrorists; theyarepakistanis; umerhayat; yourpapersplease
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To: Kozak
"Try to enter the US sometime while refusing to answer the questions of a customs agent."

They are not even being allowed to reach U.S. soil. There is a difference.
21 posted on 08/26/2006 8:33:35 PM PDT by ndt
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To: investigateworld

"natural born citizens can be detained and interviewed when they return from aboard"

OK, I've briefly been looking for evidence of that assertion. It is my understanding that a US citizen DOES NOT have to answer any questions put to him by government agents in the course of a possible criminal investigation. The fifth amendment could not really be more clear on that issue. Do you have a citation from any court that allowed the feds to exclude a citizen from entry based on excersising his fifth amendment rights?


22 posted on 08/26/2006 8:37:14 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: kinoxi
"I have no sympathy."

Agreed. As the article states: "They've been given the opportunity to meet with the FBI over there and answer a few questions, and they've declined to do that," Scott said."

If you have a name like Muhammand, then go to a place like Pakistan for 4 years, and then refuse to answer some questions for the FBI, you should NEVER be allowed on US soil again, whether you were born here, naturalized, of whatever.

If the Muzzies refuse to own up to the behavior of their "brothers in arms", then the less in this country, the better.

It's time for Americans to grow up a bit and start looking at the world as it is, not as they may wish it to be. And I'm glad our government is (apparently) starting to wake up and fight these animals.
23 posted on 08/26/2006 8:37:44 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Dov in Houston
"Are you related to any known terrorists ? "

It is a meaningless point. In this country, we are not responsible for the actions of our family (parents of minors somewhat excepted).

"f it is in the best interests of the USA to disallow me entry when I am returning from a foreign/anti american/islamic country Than SO BE IT"

Bull. You say that because you are sure they are not looking at you and you apparently do not give a damn about the rights of other citizens. The day they stopped you and denied you entry into your country with no charges, just on a whim, you would be crying bloody murder.
25 posted on 08/26/2006 8:38:36 PM PDT by ndt
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To: LeoWindhorse

I agree.


26 posted on 08/26/2006 8:38:37 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Mount Athos
"We haven't heard about this happening -- U.S. citizens being refused the right to return from abroad without any charges or any basis," said Mass, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union.

Oh, cry me a river. Of COURSE the ACLU (All Criminals Love Us)is representing these people. And I guess the "basis" is that they're terror suspects. Good enough "basis" for you, ACLU?

27 posted on 08/26/2006 8:40:54 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: ElCid89; Dog Gone; NormsRevenge; dalereed; tubebender; calcowgirl; kellynla
I just read the quotation on your FR home page and am wondering how you square that quote that you obviously admire with your statement here on this thread, especially when you have just seen old ice cream pedler Hyatt just be set free amongst us by the hapless legal system that isn't what a nation at war uses against all seriously suspected enemies, both foreign and domestic.

Do we have a WOT, or do you think like the Demonicrats and the Clinton maladministration did, that we only have a Dept. of Criminal Justice process problem here???

What's it gonna be right here and now, El Cid???

28 posted on 08/26/2006 8:41:25 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm voting on everything except CA Governor this year cause there's NOTHING to vote "for"!!!)
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To: 1rudeboy

They've done something to get on the no fly list. Could be as simple as being at the wrong place/wrong time. Their not being held in a custodial situation (locked up) simply want to re-enter the USA without answering all the questions. Doesn't work at any airport or P.O.E I've ever been through. One tells the nice lady what ever she wants to hear or go sit in a cell till the memory comes back.


29 posted on 08/26/2006 8:41:26 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: ndt

Sorry, not buying. Being asked to answer some questions after a LONG period in an area known for it's ties to terror by relatives of an indicted terrorist seem to be reasonable precautions in time of war. We are at war remember?


30 posted on 08/26/2006 8:41:44 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: LeoWindhorse

There's always treason with its historical punishment.


31 posted on 08/26/2006 8:43:38 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Mount Athos; LeoWindhorse
"the United States needs to amend the Constitution to allow for the citizenship of such people proven to be involved in deeds against America to be permanently revoked ."

What do you mean by "such people"?

You can already lose your citizenship if convicted of treason or you serve in the military of a foreign country if that country is engaged in hostilities with the U.S.
32 posted on 08/26/2006 8:43:50 PM PDT by ndt
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To: ironpuppy
I suspect that a U.S. citizen returning from abroad could be detained at the U.S. port of entry for a week or so if his "papers are not in order," bearing in mind that it would be an administrative and not criminal detention . . . in the sense that a criminal detention requires formal charges after a set period of time, etc.
33 posted on 08/26/2006 8:44:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ndt

No Sir I would not.

I would gladly allow the FBI to interrogate me. Answer all the questions asked and stay the course.

I have nothing to hide. And although at times we do not understand the workings of the American Legal system I have faith in it.

They were not offered Gitmo or detention they were asked to be interviewed and refused. Are they hiding something and if not answer a few questions and be done with it.

Nope Juries still in. Keep em out.


34 posted on 08/26/2006 8:45:09 PM PDT by Dov in Houston
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To: Kozak

1. Only congress can declare war
2. Congress has not declared war

THEREFORE:

3. do I really have to spell this out?


35 posted on 08/26/2006 8:45:22 PM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: Marine Inspector

Your presence is requested.


36 posted on 08/26/2006 8:45:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Kozak
"We are at war remember?"

The constitutional rights of a U.S. citizens are not abridged by the declaration of war.
37 posted on 08/26/2006 8:46:54 PM PDT by ndt
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To: investigateworld

"Sorry, but natural born citizens can be detained and interviewed when they return from aboard. The degree of questioning depends on where you've been, what you did."

Yes, though I have never been detained myself, I have missionary friends who are occasionally asked to answer certain questions at entry points into the USA because, perhaps, of where they had traveled.

I believe that the searches at the airports are NOT random, as I have been told at airports. I believe that I am profiled by entries in my passport. I have been completely searched on 100% of my excursions outside of the USA in the past 6 years. I am a natural born US citizen, white, Vietnam era veteran. Now Christian missionary. But I have traveled in China, the Philippines and Russia. I believe the Philippines thing is actually the reason I get searched every single time.


38 posted on 08/26/2006 8:48:28 PM PDT by Free Baptist
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To: Dov in Houston

Not trying to pick a fight here, but where does this U.S. citizen stuck in Pakistan go to adjudicate his rights, if he chooses to do so? A Pakistani court?


39 posted on 08/26/2006 8:49:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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