Clear intentions.
Posted on 08/24/2006 2:27:14 PM PDT by kronos77
We wouldn't have had to fight the muslims in Bosnia,just stay out of it since it was a civil war and not our business anyway, and let the Serbs deal with it !!!
This sounds like a truly inspired appoach..........When can we count on the moslims leaving this country?
Thanks to Bill Clinton, the ethnic Albanians are on the march.
The #2 statement in this thread agrees.
Disagree with sentence one, agree with sentence two. However, I honestly believe that we have gotten into the position that we are in, because we have "placated Muslims".
First of all, we have no right to give away a piece of someone else's country, anymore than anyone else (or even our own politicians) have a right to give away a piece of our country in order to "placate the Muslims".
Second of all, Placating them by giving them what they want doesn't work, it simply emboldened Muslims to demand more and more.
Until 9/11, Americans had no idea what Muslims were about -- and to a large extent, they still don't get it -- although they are beginning to. My education is in Behavioral Science and in my opinion, Islam --particularly in its most radical (and perhaps true) form, exhibits many of the same behavioral characteristics as an emotional disorder called "Narcissitic Personality Disorder". The Islamic "go" is a collective one, rather than an individual but the same criteria apply. Here is an amended diagnostic criteria on NPD.:
1. Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);
2. Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;
3. Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);
4. Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation – or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);
5. Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;
6. Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;
7. Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
8. Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration.
9. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;
10.Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.
Of course, Moslems justify this behavior because they are "sons of the prophet" or "swords of the prophet", but their ego is a collective monster that when fed continues to grow beyond any and all bounds. Advice: Don't feed the monster, it will just grow larger!
They must be fought.Do you agree?Yes or No?
"A U.S. envoy says Serbia is a sovereign state and the Serbian Albanian entity cannot secede. U.S. Ambassador to Bosnia-Herzegovina Douglas McElhaney said there is no secession for the Serbian Albanian-led Kosovo province, Belgrade's Beta news agency reported Thursday.
Diplomat would be recalled in a jiffy because because support of Bosnian Muslim Jihadists and Albanian terrorists is still the official policy of The United States.
The Islamic Bastards must be fought against.
Fighting against Afghan and Iraqi Al Qaeda and petting Bosnian Islamists is just like Fighting Hitler and petting Mussolinni and Hirohito!
Nothing to tell.
Albania is pretty cold in November.
Maps are a good thing to have, and we didn't have them.
Radios are good, too. And we didn't have them. Well, we had them, but they didn't work. The ones that worked didn't communicate with the zoomies, which was stupid because we were largely just targeting for them.
Oh, and General Clark is an f'ing idiot.
That said, happy it didn't work out, as we were fighting on the wrong side.
That pretty well covers it.
I typed my belief in #20 and I stand by it. This is not a war that is even scalable to past ones. I don't want to be on the losing side.
My sympathies.
Yes, but "how" is the question.
Alternatives:
1.Commit genocide and wipe every Muslim off the face of the earth.
We will never do this. 75% of the US would choke long before we even got started, and rightly so because it would change "who we are" and not for the better.
2. Commit ethnic cleansing. Send every Muslem back to the ME from where Islam was conceived and make them stay there -- never again setting foot in Europe or the US.
Our European ancestors already did this so that we wouldn't have to, but time and stupidity were irresistable and we let them in again. A big problem is that so many immigrant Muslims have been in the US and Europe for so long, that generations have been been born in the West. Who in their right mind would deport born US citizens, even if they are Muslim, to a country that they didn't come from and perhaps had never seen before? Not going to happen, and if it did, what's to stop the government from doing the same to you or me if the time comes that they don't like what we believe?
3. Hold on to what we have right now and do not give Muslims an inch more of ground that we don't have to. Halt US immigration from Islamic countries. Enshrine our language and values right now and don't change a bit. Encourage American and Euro couples to have as many children as possible.
Option #3 is as close as we will ever come to "fighting the Moslems" and it is highly doubtful that we will ever even go this far, because no politican will have the stomache to promote a program like this. It would be called "chauvinistic, nationalistic, racist and genocidal" by the MSM.
Either Washington has a hidden agenda or its foreign policy is shaped by idiots who don't understand either Islam or the lengths the Islamofascists will go to to get what they deem they deserve.
Bump!
I was there in 2000-2001. I found the Serbs in RS to be quite friendly in most cases. In some cases they were at worst defiant of the intervention, but rarely did I hear of hostilities.
The Bosnian Muslims I met were equally friendly, and seemed quite thankful for the intervention. Most of the Bosnian Muslims I spoke with told me they are secular. I even had a Bosnian Serb, who was the interpretor for our unit, tell me the same thing (about the Bosnian Muslims). They are very much Europeans, being that Yugoslavia was a very open country and the Bosnians more considered themselves Yugoslavians than Bosnian Muslims.
We did have a couple of incidents involving Serbs. One, where a Serb was being arrested and attempted to throw a grenade at some of our troops, only to blow himself up with it. And our Joint Operations headquarters was regularly attacked by RPG and small arms fire.
All in all, I came away more disheartened that the two sides probably would take a long time to reconcile, if ever. It looks now like my prediction is correct.
Thanks for sharing that. I must admit that I hoped and prayed that guys like you would never have to go there and get in the middle of that, because longrun I don't think that either side will ever "thank us" for getting involved -- although individuals might.
Bosnian Muslims, as a whole, were "pretty European", which is what made this all such a shame. A moderate Bosnian Muslim named Fikret Abdic even got the most votes for the presidency before the war. But for some unknown reason, Abdic stepped aside and the radical Muslim, Alija Izetbegovic took his place. Abdic even formed an Army to fight Izetbegovic and Abdic made peace with the Serbs. But once again, for some unknown reason, the West supported Izetbegovic against Abdic. From then on, it all went downhill fast. Politically, we couldn't have made a bigger mess and too many people had to die.
I don't think that the Serbs and Muslims can ever live together again, which is why "a country" called "Bosnia Hercegovina" (which had never been a country before)will never be functional. Especially since those Arab mujahadin have moved in, aided by the Saudis and helped radicalize many formerly secularized Muslims.
But for Tihic to tell Serbs, who owned 60% of the land before the war (because they were farmers, not city people like the Muslims) to get with the program or get out, is pretty stunning. I predict another war there soon -- especially if the internationals try to give away Kosovo, too.
You know, for the last 14 years the West (especially Clinton) has continually said that they want "peace in the Balkans" and yet has made every move most likely to cause war. I don't get it -- the US can't be that politically incompetent, can we?
The Russians did good thing. I belive their recepie should be wildlez used>
Send specnaz, if they can`t get them, blast target with guns, airplanes etc. Oh, how terrible Chechens were! but confronted to groosome force thez simpley were blasted. Russians didn`t commited genocide, yed they destroyed Chechenia and any hope of islamist for succession.
Islamists are fanatics, not stupid. Total anihilation is no option to them. You can`t serve Allah if you are dead.
...You can`t serve Allah if you are dead....
That gives me an idea... naaaaahhhh.. someone might see it as genocide....
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